Talk:Sevvostlag
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[edit] Rewrite
I noticed that you, Mikkalai, have decided to rewrite the article. While this is good, I would ask why you removed my images and took out the information I had already placed in the text. I would be more than happy to help you rewrite the article, but I am wondering about the aforementioned. Thank you, —A • D Torque 10:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC) (PS: I didnt tell you of this on your talk because you advised me against it. I will, however, leave a short message on your talk page requesting your input)
- Because your infromation amd images bear little or no relation to Sevvostlag and is present in other wikipedia artilces. This is encyclopedia, not a book about Stalin times. Every artile must cover its own topic. Every topic must be covered in one place, for easy maintenance of the text. This is not paper book: any other article is one mouse cick away. The article must be mainly about the camp itself. The economical activities must be described in Dalstroy aticle or, if the article grow in a possible Activities of Dalstroy artice. Kolyma highway may be described in greatest detail in its own article, etc. Otherwise we will have a chaotic collection of duplicated information, phrased in different words, and very annoying to read for a person who is looking for new information in an encyclopedia. `'mikka 15:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. the whole set Kolyma/Dalstroy/Sevvostlag and some other things must be organized in some logical order, for easy monitoring. The information floating around, especially in the Internet, is contradictory in details (it is contradictory even at sources) and one must be careful with updates. It is very easy to write a soap opera about how hard and abusive life was, but encyclopedia requires more emphasis on precision of facts. `'mikka 19:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
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- While your arguements are valid, I fail to see the harm in adding background information. It provides context. My images were relevant, because they gave some indication of the aesthetics of the area where Sevvostlag was located. I added these contexts, admittedly, because of a lack of sources of information that were available to me. Now, you seem to have good information on the camp, and this is good, but a background section, with the information about nearby towns and the hardships of those who built the highway (their bones are said to be actually constitutional in the building of the road - may not be true, but is something that could be implanted as a bit of a folklore etc.), would serve to complete the article in every aspect. Please reply, —A • D Torque 00:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- mikkalai,I see that you have decided to add back my image, as well as adding amnother well-suited one. With your consent, of course (because you are now able to be considered a major contributor to this article) I was wanting to put back some more information about the surrounding towns and perhaps about the highway today (its actually flooded and impassable). I chose to discuss this first than blindly make the changes because I didnt want you to just remove the work. So, what do you say about my proposal? Thanks, —A • D Torque 11:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see the reason for to much emphasis of road construction. It was neither the largest nor the deadliest project in Kolyma. If you have additional facts about the work of Sevvostlag inmates in its construction, you may add them here. Other details about the road go into the article about the road. The same about the towns: if you have information about subcamps of Sevvostlag in the area, please add. Otherwise, the place of this information is in the Kolyma. The only reasonable thing worth mentionig is description of harsh working conditions. However the general description must be brief (because the same conditios were everywhere in Kolyma), while the immediate references to the camp may be more detailed. `'mikka 16:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- mikkalai,I see that you have decided to add back my image, as well as adding amnother well-suited one. With your consent, of course (because you are now able to be considered a major contributor to this article) I was wanting to put back some more information about the surrounding towns and perhaps about the highway today (its actually flooded and impassable). I chose to discuss this first than blindly make the changes because I didnt want you to just remove the work. So, what do you say about my proposal? Thanks, —A • D Torque 11:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- While your arguements are valid, I fail to see the harm in adding background information. It provides context. My images were relevant, because they gave some indication of the aesthetics of the area where Sevvostlag was located. I added these contexts, admittedly, because of a lack of sources of information that were available to me. Now, you seem to have good information on the camp, and this is good, but a background section, with the information about nearby towns and the hardships of those who built the highway (their bones are said to be actually constitutional in the building of the road - may not be true, but is something that could be implanted as a bit of a folklore etc.), would serve to complete the article in every aspect. Please reply, —A • D Torque 00:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
