Talk:Seven hills of Rome

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[edit] Prophecy

Prophecy and seven Roman hills relation is unsourced and looks like original research to me. I doubt it belongs to this article, even if it was sourced. I mean, many people believe that some of Nostradamus prophecies are related to assassination of J. F. Kennedy, but they too don't belong in Kennedy's article, do they? --Windom 14:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that in our century, the Revelation 17 reference is the best-known use of the term "seven hills" so it should remain in an article on that subject. In relation to the comment that this is "unsourced," I have added two references which say Revelation's "seven hills" are "the seven hills of Rome". Philwiki47 08:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a professor who has some videos on youtube who discusses the prophecy and its connection to Rome, anyway that section is perfectly unbiased so why is the tag still there? Are you actually wanting an unsourced tag? 88.107.87.231 09:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It's one thing to talk about "prophecy" relating to Rome; it's another to say that the author is making a veiled reference to Rome through the phrase "seven hills." The liberal scholarship I've read (a.k.a., the footnotes in my NRSV Study Bible) affirm that this is a reference to Rome. I'd say it's not akin to citing Nostradamus when talking about Kennedy so much as maybe citing Orwell's "Animal Farm" when talking about Soviet totalitarianism. 01:44, 10 January 2008

[edit] Map

A map would be nice.

Even a hand-drawn one.

Cheers

-- Hmmm...maybe suggesting a hand-drawn one wasn't a good idea.

Especially with this horrible color scheme. I have to differentiate teal and light green....

New image from wikimedia commons added. It's a bit better, but not fantastic.GideonF 18:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Changed map, hope you don't mind. Might it also be good to have this picture up, for the purposes of scale: [1]? Marm(t) 12:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biblical Reference

I've pruned this section of much rambling, largely unreferenced material that would be better covered in the Book of Revelation article, and has no direct significance to an article on the seven hills of Rome.GideonF 18:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the pruning. I've reinstated the reference that the writer of The Revelation is saint John, however noting his apostleship as opposed to his sainthood. The book of Revelation is not a narration, but (as referenced by the title) is a revelation. S. L. Bonham - 21 November 2006

I may stick my nose into this one a bit over the long weekend, as there's a bit I just want to check on. This actually falls into an area I'm formally educated in (for once!), and one of my courses while getting a BA in Biblical Studies was The Johannine Literature. I should still have notes squirreled away somewhere, and one of the papers I wrote was on the attribution of the seven-headed beast as Rome. Obviously, in keeping with WP:NOR, I'd not use my own paper, but the references and quotes from peer-reviewed articles. The Dark 14:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
For the time being, I've removed the reference to the apostle John. "Narrator" may not be the perfect word, but modern scholarly opinion does not hold to the view that the author of Revalations was the apostle John.GideonF 17:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, I think re: John the Apostle (of course, doubts about the identification of the author as the Apostle far predate modern scholarly opinion - Eusebius didn't believe that he was the Apostle John, either). But I altered it to "St. John" - a term sufficiently broad as to cover all interpretations of authorship - with a link to the article on John of Patmos, for the sake of fuller information. 66.31.47.139 02:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RELEVANCE OF THE SEVEN HILLS IN ROMAN HISTORY

Not developing the importance of the seven hills makes this article amost useless. they played a major role in Rome's defense against neighboring "tribes", as it allowed the Romans to notice attackers from further distances and give them enough time be prepared for counter-measures as well. --Udonknome 09:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] RELEVANCE OF THE SEVEN HILLS IN REST OF THE WORLD HISTORY

I'd be interested to see some reference or discussion of the apparent custom of founding cities on seven hills in honour of the tradition of Rome - I know that some claims are made that Bradford, West Yorks. (UK), and Sheffield, S. Yorks (UK), are built on seven hills but I can't verify this. Also Cologne, Germany (Kóln) has it's famed Sieben Gebirge (7 mountains), and has a significant Roman history (and a highly renowned Roman museum in the city)

81.178.119.88 (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)