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[edit] Affiliate

I noticed a change made to this page, which moved the 7 Darwin affiliate to the "Seven network owned" section, with a note saying it was Southern Cross owned. I reverted it back as that is the point of different sections of the list. 7 Darwin is just that, 7 Darwin, an affilate, and not part of the Seven Network anymore than Southern Cross Ten Victoria (to choose an example) is part of Network Ten. 7 Central is also an affilate, owned by Southern Cross, and also badged as 7, so why wouldn't that be moved as well? Because it isn't in a capital city? Then how about moving Southern Cross Tasmania and SC Ten Capital to the first list as well? You see what I mean... the lists (this list and also the Nine Network and Network Ten affilate lists) need to be consistent, otherwise there's no point.

Maybe sorting by station ownership isn't the best way to go, in which case feel free to re-arrange the list - but not just one item in the list at random.

I plan to do a more detailed table on the List of Australian television channels page detailing affiliates and stations in Australia. --Chuq 12:58, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)~

[edit] Current Lawsuit

Should comment be made (possibly in the Sport's section) about the lawsuit on Seven that was started today Lochok 09:06, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Not sure. It's already mentioned on C7. DynaBlast 05:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

i noticed that at the top of the page it states that 7 is the biggest television network when further down the page it states it is #2.

I assume the first means largest as in highest potential viewing population, while the #2 is related to television ratings. DynaBlast 04:45, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Seven owns metro stations in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth, as well as Seven Queensland (based in Maroochydore) and possibly some other regional stations in Western Australia. The Nine Network, on the other hand, owns Stations in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane, as well as the Darwin station while Nine Adelaide and Perth are owned by separate companies and are effectively affiliates. Seven is the largest commercial network, while Nine has had better ratings figures (although recently Seven appears to be challenging Nine in this area). JB

[edit] But what is Channel Seven?

Please don't laugh. I followed a link to "Channel Seven", which redirected me here. Perhaps I am not a careful reader, but I couldn't actually find a mention of this anywhere in the article. I gather on IRC that "Channel Seven" is generally used to mean "Seven Network"? Was Channel Seven an early name which is now not used? Would it be worth altering the lead paragraph to something along the lines of "Seven Network, known popularly as Channel Seven,..." or similar?

--Telsa 12:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Generally the terms "Seven" and "Channel 7" are used interchangebly. ie, "What's on (Channel) Seven?" Part of this is because Seven broadcasts on channel 7 (frequency), as well as the obvious on-air branding (the 7 logo). Seven refer to themselves the Seven Network. ie, "The following program is rated PG. The Seven Network recommends viewing by..." In terms of Wikipedia, "Seven Network" is more formal and appropriate. This is also the logic behind the naming of the Nine Network and Network Ten. DynaBlast 11:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Seven Network (Operations) Limited (ACN 052 845 262) of Level 2, 38-42 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont, NSW 2009.
Seven Network Limited (ACN 052 816 789)

[edit] Links??

  • Do we need a external link to Seven Perth, we dont have them for all state stations or is Seven Perth seperate in some way? Mike 05:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Seven Perth is the only state station website. DynaBlast 07:52, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The most free to air channel?

The Seven Network is Australia's largest television network, owning the most free to air channel in Australia.

Perhaps this should be:

  • the most watched free to air channel
  • the most number of free to air channels

In either case, is there a link to attach to this claim?

This sentence is referring to the stations that are owned by the Seven Network, which are:
(Seven Network programming is aired throughout the rest of the countries on stations owned by its affiliates, not the Seven Network.)
Considering the population reached by these owned stations, the Seven Network is the largest television network in Australia. Network Ten is the second largest, owning stations in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. The Nine Network is the third largest, with only stations in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Darwin.
I'm not sure how to articulate that idea in a concise statement. Hopefully someone can find a way to fix it up though, because the sentence does not read correctly to people without prior knowledge of the station ownerships in Australia. Tntnnbltn 16:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I have reworded the sentence. It is the largest by population coverage. By area, it would be Imparja, WIN, Southern Cross or Prime. By number of stations, it would probably be SC or WIN. Also, we are talking about stations owned by the network, not affiliates. This brings me to the question.. although Nine Adelaide and Nine Perth are not owned by PBL, are they part of the Nine Network, or affiliates?
Also - I have made some maps on Talk:List of Australian television channels which may be of interest. -- Chuq 09:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

Can you people just choose a spelling and stop acting so childish about it. Also, in respect to the last person who edited the article, if you are going to go around changing the spelling just to prove a point you might want to actually look at what you're changing, as now all the broken wikilinks you created have to be edited. Slj 15:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

As this article is about an Australian television network, Australian English should be used (it's in the MOS somewhere). "Program" is by far the most accepted spelling in Australian English. That's why articles such as Sunrise (TV program) and List of programs broadcast by Seven Network are located where they are. The spelling should be kept at "Program". Tntnnbltn 15:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Network-NBC Link

It seems that whenever NBC was using a new slogan during the 80's, Seven got the slogan as well. The 1989 movie opener was borrowed from NBC's. Should this go into great detail or should it be merely included as a side note? 71.111.232.40 18:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Seven Network tag

Template:Seven Network tag has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. J Ditalk 20:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Idiot cameramen

Anyone else had the experience of moving past a camera, having the moron walk into your path then having the idiot standing next to the cameraman abusing you and saying 'don't touch the camera' when he walked into you?

[edit] Programming > Entertainment

I just changed a bit of wording regarding Seven's running of Australian content: I wouldn't exactly call Good as Gold and Celebrity Survivor "popular", given their ratings and subjective viewer response. Cyril Washbrook 11:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of High Definition Programming

Rather than jump in and be accused of vandalising the page, I would like to see a section on 7's lack of high definition programming on its digital services. Currently High Definition is digital television broadcast at the resolution of either 720p (720 'lines' progressively scanned), or 1080i (1080 lines interlaced), with 1080p as a future broadcasting standard but currently available via the new high definition players such as HD-DVD.

Whilst 9 and 10 use 1080i and ABC occasionally use 720p, Channel 7 currently broadcasts a 576p signal on channel 70, and claims this to be high definition, which it is not. In fact when broadcasting material such as film, it is no improvement on standard definition (576i).

There are numerous Wiki and other links to verify this, but thought I'd get comments before I go ahead. User: MichaelGG

In Australia, 576p is considered High Definition. (I'm not saying anything about the quality of Seven's digital services, it's just that Seven is broadcasting in 'high definition'.) Tntnnbltn 06:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

NOW it's broadcasting in High Definition! --MichaelGG 20:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo plagiarism?

As you can see at this Colombian blog post, which includes a 1991 recording of the defunct newscast Noticiero de las Siete (it ceased at late 1990s or early 2000s), its logo is the same than the Seven Network's logo since 2003... I don't know it it's plagiarism or not, but I leave this comment to let you know. --Julián Ortega - drop me a message 16:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Seven Network schedule

Template:Seven Network schedule has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Tntnnbltn 15:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting Channel Seven / Seven Network

Why have these articles been split? What is the difference between the two? Is the new Seven Network article going to replace Seven Network Limited? Tntnnbltn 15:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Do we really need all of:

I think they are all technically distinct things, but I'm not sure if it's useful to have four separate articles (plus each station as listed somewhere above). Which one is the ASX-listed entity SEV? Three of them appear in Category:Companies listed on the Australian Stock Exchange at the moment.--Scott Davis Talk 15:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

(Seven Network Limited is the ASX listed company.) --Tntnnbltn 16:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Video Program Guide

The VPG is basically a stop-gap measure in place of full 7-day program guide information; I think the assertion that it is a seperate channel is misleading. Seeing as it is effectively a datacast (akin to Digital 44) I suggest that the 'free to air channels ' section be removed/altered seeing as the Seven Guide is outside of most viewer's uses. timgraham 07:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History section

I replaced the {{inappropriate tone}} tag because - to me at least - it seems to be written from a very subjective angle full of statements like 'when TV finally came to Australia' etc. timgraham 11:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

After re-analysing the section, I have to agree with you that certain phrases should be modified to portray a more encyclopic tone. Stickeylabel 13:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] this article

I'm tempted to put a fansite or POV tag as it comes across at times as advertising or a glowing fan site about how good Channel 7 is to Nine. Michellecrisp 07:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

If there are any sentences that are advertising, can you please bring them to attention? As I have not been able to find anything on the article that defames the Nine Network, or boasts the Seven Network. Alot of work has been contributed to the article, of which has a neutral point of view, and alot of work has been contributed to the history seciton to ensure it complies with Wiki Ettiquete, and that it is not biased. Again, can you please give us an example of any sentences that you believe are violations. Thanks in advance. Stickeylabel 21:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

I have now cited several statements and removed the Citation Tag. Stickeylabel 08:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First live telecast?

Although I have no hard evidence to back up my concerns, I have worries about the statement:

"In 1977, the Seven Network produced its first live telecast, of which was the VFL Grand Final. This was the first of several live telecasts in the decades to follow."

As someone who was well and truly around in 1977, I can't imagine that this was the first 'live' telecast by ATN 7 and HSV 7 either as independent broadcasters, or as a network, especially as the coaxial cable connection between Sydney and Melbourne had been well and truly established in the 1960s and to other places before 1977.

Markswan 10:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I presume it was originally intended to be: "In 1977, the Seven Network produced its first live sports telecast, of which was the VFL Grand Final. This was the first of several live sporting telecasts in the decades to follow." Hopefully someone can confirm this. Stickeylabel 11:06, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Schedule

how upto date should the schedule be? because seven is showing criminal minds for 2 hours from 8:30pm for the next 2 weeks so thats why i changed it, only after that will Shark be airing

The schedule is for encyclopedic purposes only, and should not contain region or event specific programming. Stickeylabel 01:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Can I ask why we even have a schedule? Isn't that what a tv guide is for? I dont think its particularly encyclopedic Muzzamo (talk) 06:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, Muzzamo.--AtD (talk) 07:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
So, are we to remove it? --AtD (talk) 09:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Yep i support it being left off Muzzamo (talk) 11:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I've started a discussion about this at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Television schedules in network articles, because it seems that it's quite a widespread thing, and I don't want to misunderstand prevailing views about the acceptability of these schedule things. - Mark 11:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FastTrack

Seven said something after the Heroes finale about 'Fast tracking' it on a live schedule from the US later this year. Does anyone have any more info and could you add it to the page, please? — mattrobs 11:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

  • I did not see the broadcast in question, but I am guessing that they will try to use satellite to show new episodes as close as possible after their original broadcast in the US. I guess this is to counter lost viewership through internet downloads: if waiting time goes down from months to days for Seven to rebroadcast episodes, Aussie netizens may flock to Seven's broadcast, raising ratings. ZanderSchubert 07:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Which is a very smart plan. Has anyone found any press releases on this, so we can add this to the Seven Network article? — mattrobs 02:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
      • No press release yet, but prominently placed on Heroes info pages at Yahoo7 say that it will be returning "later this year". Still in the "original research" realm here, I'm afraid... ZanderSchubert 05:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
        • A month later, however, Ten has advertised their 'FastTracking' with House, and, re-enthused, I found this press release with the line "... in a bold programming move, Seven will screen the next series of Prison Break and Heroes later this year - directly after their US screenings." The question is, (how) should we incorporate this into the article? ZanderSchubert 08:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Digital Queensland

This may seem like an odd question, but considering that the Sunshine Coast has both Seven Brisbane and Seven Queensland transmitted digitally, which one is Digital Channel 7 (or 70) and what is the other? ZanderSchubert 07:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To-Do List

I have added a To-Do template at the top of this page, and I have also added in a few tasks that need to be completed. Please add, modify or complete any of the tasks on the list, in order to raise the quality of this article. Stickeylabel 07:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look later tonight, and fix/work on what I see as problems - there's some particularly awkward phrasing in the article (the 'broadcast signal' for the network 'arising' from the Melbourne Docklands would be on highlight, as well as the fact that a lot of paragraphs begin with 'On ... such-and-such happened). It would also be good to try and either trim down, categorise more strictly, or turn into lists, some of the stuff in the programming section - I see there's a main article for it already. It would be good to come up with something of a 'formula' for the Availability sections as well because, the way I see it, they're a bit awkward in terms of phrasing. timgraham 07:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Good work with the Lead section Tim :). Do you think the history section needs to be expanded? In my opinion, the 2000s section should be updated and cleaned up, as at current there is no flow with the paragraphs. Also, I have attempted to clean up the introduction to the programming section. In my opinion, the programming section would be best served with distinct paragraphs relating to differing program genres, ie. Drama, Children etc. Because at current it is a bit of a mess. Stickeylabel 12:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I've done more history, I just need to hunt down some sources for it all..I'll take care of the 2000s later on. timgraham 13:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
We need references for the history section - the entire first bit is almost entirely uncited. I don't have huge amounts of time to do it now but I'll have a look later on. timgraham 07:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

This article reads well and is close to meeting the GA criteria. My only suggestion is that references should be provided for the following paragraphs please:

The Seven Network began as a group of independent stations in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. HSV-7 Melbourne, licensed to The Herald and Weekly Times Ltd (owners of two local papers at the time, The Herald and The Sun), was the first station in the country to use the VHF7 frequency. It launched on November 4, 1956, soon joined on December 2 by Amalgamated Television Services' ATN-7 in Sydney. By 1957 the two stations had begun to form content-sharing partnerships with their VHF9 counterparts - in ATN's case GTV-9, for HSV, TCN-9. HSV's relationship with the Victorian Football League, forerunner to the Australian Football League, began in April, 1957 when the station broadcast the first ever live Australian Rules football match. TVW-7 Perth began broadcasting almost two years later, on October 16, 1959. The city's first commercial station was licensed to TVW Limited, owned by West Australian Newspapers, publisher of The West Australian. BTQ-7 Brisbane, the city's second commercial television licensee, followed on November 1.
Throughout this time, the stations operated independently of each other, with schedules comprised of various simple, and relatively inexpensive, programmes - shows such as Pick a Box and spinoffs of popular radio shows. In the early 1960s, coaxial cable links, formed initially between Sydney and Melbourne, allowed the sharing of programs and simultaneous broadcasts of live shows. Frank Packer, owner of HSV's Sydney partner TCN-9 bought a controlling share of the station's Melbourne counterpart, GTV-9, in 1960, in the process creating the country's first television network. HSV and ATN joined together to form the Australian Television Network in 1963. ADS-7 in Adelaide was the final capital city station to launch, on July 26, 1965. The station later swapped frequencies with SAS-10, however, in order to become SAS-7.

I'm putting this article on hold as the article is close to GA status, however the issue noted above must be dealt with before GA status can be awarded. I hope that this can be addressed within the seven days allowed by on hold, and wish you all the best with your editing... Johnfos 01:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I've just shifted/added the references so the two paragraphs you'be mentioned - hopefully it's all good. timgraham 06:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

GA awarded... well done! Johnfos 07:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Network 7 (TV series)

Network 7 redirects to Seven Network; can we add a link as such

Network 7 redirects here. For the UK television series, see Network 7 (TV series)

Walt111 (talk) 12:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slogan

I was watching our local Seven affiliate, who sometimes don't bother to remove the 7 Branding, and they were advertising either Heroes or Gladiators in the credits of a show, and they said "Fast Track to Seven". Is this a one-off thing, or a new motto? And if the latter, would it need intergration into the article? Douglas C (talk) 05:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

That's the tagline they use when they're trying to say that the show in question is being shown on Seven very quickly after being shown in America (usually within a few days or a couple weeks, as opposed to the more usual months). It's not really a slogan for the entire station, though. - Mark 05:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah! Okay, thanks for that. Douglas C (talk) 04:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)