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Contents 1 Kannadi marketing 2 Nothing disgusting about History if you open your eyesDineshkannambadi 14:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC) 3 Maharashtra history is intimately tied to Karnataka History129.42.208.182 15:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC) 4 InsecurityDineshkannambadi 15:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC) 5 Unfortunate Bias 6 Common historyDineshkannambadi 13:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC) 7 Dont Show Off National Integration 8 merge rationale 9 Merge 10 decency 11 intimated admin 12 Seuna vs Yadava 13 walk before you run 14 Seuna merge 15 citations 16 communicate when communicated with 17 Removal of transliteration 18 Kannada citations 19 Yadavas of Deogiri 20 Vishu123 edits

[edit] Kannadi marketing

This article is another case of Kannadi marketing.Plz see the article for how Kannada is being glorified against Marathi and Sanskrit.I will be shortly getting reference to end up this Kannadisation for I am pretty sure about the Yadavas and Marathi being official language during their reign.Merging Yadavs with Seuns is infact unwarrented.

If I rememeber this article is about 2-3rd in row including Rashtrakuta Vijayanagara_empire.This is very disguisting.Few users are deliberately moulding history to satisfy their lingual fanaticsm.They are well-equiped with nonsense and crappy sources like that of Kannadi fanatic Mr.Kamath.Nonetheless,I am sure I shall be getting a good citation to wipe out this utter nonsense which endorses karnataka. Mahawiki 08:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nothing disgusting about History if you open your eyesDineshkannambadi 14:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing disgusting nor is their any Kannadaization of this article as you claim. Read books and then talk. People without knowledge or the habit of acquiring it should not post blatant comments. All info has been sourced from reliable reference source which has been provided. In fact I intend to work on this next more closely , with an additional source (scholarly ofcourse). Your lack of historiacal knowledge is your loss. If you try to remove any material without arbitration, you will find youself in a soup and quit cribbing about Vijayanagar empire, you cant do anything there. I am fully sourced from 4 different sources of research.

Dinesh KAnnambadi

Dear Dinesh, Keep these article with u.And stop swearing by that foolish books written by illiterate and ignorant Kannadi writers.I am starting to develop Yadava article soon,so continue with ur lies here.Yadav article should not be redirected here.

And get this in ur head-if u dont stop ur moronic Kannadi sermons I am myself gonna go to arbiteration.And u will see that.Ok Rashtrakutas and Vijayanagara empire was Kannadi but YADAVS being Kannadi????Are u for real?And yes call ur friend Sarvagnya too..by this u have only expressed ur 'insecurity' .No more moulding of history please.And yeah trash that kamats books.Dont think that u can hide the glorious past of Maharashtrians. Mahawiki 14:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maharashtra history is intimately tied to Karnataka History129.42.208.182 15:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The day you guys realise this, much of the disputes will go away. Unfortunately as I have stated earlier, politicials and false history propaganda machinery has I believe hidden much of real history from Indians. I am not saying this with malice against any particular state.

Regarding the Yadavas or Seunas, remember that they were feudatories first of the Rashtrakuta (late period of Rashtrakuta) and all the way thru the Kalyani Chalukya rule before declaring independence. I have quoted the names of the Kannada scholars in the Suena court, their works etc. I have also given balanced info about the arrival of Marathi literature only because thats what the source says. I have done this without any prejudice or personal gains. Its upto you to see this with an open mind. Feel free to bring other sources. In fact I can quote you a source other then Kamath (Since you hate him). Please take time to read history first and discuss and Tag. Creating alternate pages for the same topic based on challenge and ego is not acceptable to either history or probably wikipedia.

Dinesh Kannambadi

[edit] InsecurityDineshkannambadi 15:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to log in earlier. Lets not forget you received a similar message from your friend Arya also when he came across the Seuna page.

Dinesh Kannambadi

This is really shameful and embarrassing!U suppose to be well-educated with ur prowess in English still u r acting as Kannadi extremist well equiped with fanatic materials to wage a 'jehad' against other states.Dear Dinesh,open ur mind,get rid of prejudices and READ the article very carefully.Ask ur conscience havent u being partial?Havent u glorified Kannada languages against Marathi?

I am gonna buy some encyplopedia cds to shut every fanatics mouth here!In fact I end this discussion here since there's no need for redirection of Yadavas to Seuna.So continue ur Kannadi fanaticsm here and mind u,dont even think of degrading Maharashtra's histroy from now onwards... Jai Maharashtra

Mahawiki 08:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC) BTW I take ur comments that Maharashtra history is tied to K'taka very lightly as one who says Vihayanagara, Rashtrakutas, Chalukyas, Mughals(?) are Kannadis, all Maharashtrians are actually Kannadis, Shivaji Maharaj is a Kannadi, Kannadi is the old and Marathi has evolved from Kannada and Konkani,Kannadi kavi Pipes and Pump's have enriched Kannada to make it a claasical language blah blah blah!!!!U know what ur blabbering isnt amusing anymore,it counts to cultural terrorism...accept Islam or else...Oh yeah in ur case say Kannadi is best else...! Mahawiki 08:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unfortunate Bias

It is really unfortunate how this article has been developed into a Kannadi-propaganda advertisement. Dinesh has really Kannadized each and every article.I mean how much more glory doth you seek ? Those who ride on others achievement never really win. They are looooosers. I hope you are not one of them. Tomorrow you will say Shivaji was Kannadi, the whole Maratha Empire was Kannadi. In fact Maharashtra is Kannadi. Isn't it ?

By the way, I still remember your comment on the Belgaon talk page. You said - Vijayanagara and other Kannadi Empires were great and Maratha Empire wasnt great. Well, there was no Kannadi Empire at all. Those were small kingdoms. You know an Empire needs to be Imperial. Marathas were imperial. None of your Kannadi "empires" were imperial. So stop glorifying Kannadi. It doesn't deserve to be glorified, you know !!!!

-AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 09:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Common historyDineshkannambadi 13:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

When I said the history of Karnataka and Maharashtra are tied together, it was meant to be a Phylosophical statement to help develop friendship and appreciate history and discard acrimony. It was not meant to be a derogatory statement. I would not take it as one if the same statement had come from one of you guys. Infact, India is a product of a Sum Contribution and thats what I was trying to emphasise on. Being neighbouring states, this is all the more true. Did you know that Purandaradasa, father of carnatic music was born in Pandharapur, Maharashtra. Dont we consider him our own?. I did not realise that being tied to Kannadis was such an offence to you guys. However whatever may be your reaction, I intend to complete this page in detail from other sources. There are always people who acknowledge and others who dont. Also, regarding my article on Belgaum page, I have always regretted having written that.

Dinesh Kannambadi

Well dont present urself as liberal and neutral editor.The article speaks in volumes about what u think of 'younger languages'!Now that u gave examples of Purandaradasa,lemme answer u with Bhimsen Joshi, Rekha Rao,Surekha Kudachi, Gangubai Hangal, Girish Karnad, U.R Ananthamoorthy, Narayana Murthy..Among these Bhimsen Joshi,Sorekha Kudachi and Rekha Rao have completely adapted to us.Pt.Joshi is considered more Maharashtrian than a Kannadi.His son doesnt even know Kannada,he is respected so much here,he is even awarded with Maharashtra-Ratna.Rekha Rao and Surekha Kudachi being popular actresses in Marathi Cinema others in the above list are widely accepted and 'looked upto' here.Narayana Murthy,yes the same man who started and starred in 'Bangalore IT revolution' started his career in Pune!Novels of U.R.Krushnamurthy,Shivram Karanth and Bhairappa are equally popular here.So now u see how friendly and big-hearted we Maharashtrians are. So what we really mind is ur imposition of Kannadi influence everywhere.Ur attitude and kannadisation of each and every possible article is disguisting.U r only inviting disrespect for u and ur state.Try to be U.R.Krishnamoorthy and not Vatal Nagrajan. Mahawiki 14:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dont Show Off National Integration

Kannadabadi, you are not doing anything except nautanki. Where did your friendship go when you write "..While Sanskrit and Kannada were in official usage from the begining of their rule, the later part of their rule saw the rise of Marathi as an important language of literature.". Why ? Wasn't Marathi the court language ie the official language. The why is it not mentioned ? It is another thing that Kannada was never the official language of Yadavas. But even if once, let us say that what you say is true, then why didn't you mention Marathi ?!?!? Again, in the literature section and almost everywhere, Marathi is mentioned last. When Maharashtri Prakrit is the most widely spoken language of the region how can it not be mentioned in the article ? This reeks of extreme lingual fanaticism. Don't try to act too smart. Your friendliness and good faith towards Marathi has been trashed by your own comments on Belgaon talkpage.

-AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 13:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely!Its very unfortunate and painful to see such shameless bias and prejudice against Marathi.I condemn it in strongest words possible.what a loser might be one who thinks by degrading other's language and history he will glorify his language and history.Utter nonsense.It is even bad than vandalism.Mahawiki 14:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] merge rationale

Please see Talk:Yadava Dynasty#Merge. utcursch | talk 11:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Any attempt to merge this page with Yadava dynasty page without broad consensus and any attempt to remove any material regarding Kannada on thsi page will go for arbitration. Please be adviced.

Dineshkannambadi

There is no attempt to merge the page without broad consensus, and no material regarding Kannada has been removed.utcursch | talk 08:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] decency

Please have the decency to intimate the person (myself) who has taken the trouble to put together this page before making large scale modifications and {{Fact}} tags. I understand we all have the right to make edits, but that does not mean you get together and just start doing things because it suits you. The least one of you could do (not the two illmannered guys Mahawiki and Arya Raajya whatever...) is intimate me so I could be involved. After all, there is nothing you guys can do to disprove the facts I have put there.

Dineshkannambadi

Dinesh enough!Ur pseudohistory does not hold any place here.Morever plz be adviced that u or me dont own any article here.So it will be nice if u stop hiding the history using fictious books by Mr.kamath!Morever first try to find out who's doing the edits before u cry foul or go to ur dear friend sarvagnya for help! Mahawiki 03:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] intimated admin

I have gone ahead and intimated Blnguyen, the admin, of behind the scenes edits that have taken place over the last day or two without discussion. Any attempt to do any reverts will bring in more admins if necessaryDineshkannambadi 01:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

dineshkannambadi

Sure. Mahawiki 03:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seuna vs Yadava

Let me first explain why the name "Seuna" was used. The word Yadava has a caste connotation. There are no shortage of kingdoms whose kings come from the Yadava clan. look at the book:Yadavas Through the Ages--from ancient period to date/J.N. Singh Yadav. 1992. It claims there are so many kingdoms whose kings were Yadavas. So calling Seunas as Yadavas does not make them unique. Of course you could call them "Yadavas of Devgiri" but even that is not really accurate because there are other Yadavas like Satavahana-Yadavas who also ruled the same areas. I understand Muslim writers called them Yadavas, but my source said most inscriptions called them Seunas. That was the reason I called the page Seuna. It has no Kannada connotation to it.

Also, I have gone ahead, revertde and provided citation for all the fancifull ^{[citation needed]} put in there. Now we can start from the begining and see what is ok and what is not OK.

Dineshkannambadi

The fancifull fact tags were placed by a responsible person.I or arya did not put it.Walk before u run,dear Kannambadi. Mahawiki 03:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] walk before you run

Read the book. All references have been provided. It does not matter who changed it. We all make mistakes.

Dineshkannambadi

[edit] Seuna merge

Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri sounds fine to me.

Dineshkannambadi

According to me Yadava_dynasty is ok.Seuna can be directed to this page.There is nothing called Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. Mahawiki 05:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] citations

Sir, I have reverted back to your version but added my citations to the places where you put {{Fact}. You have asked me Which research? for many points on the page. Sir, I think this is a question best asked to Dr. Kamath himself. I have merely quoted the scholar himself thats all. If you ask me which research, am I supposed to ask Dr. Kamath, which research?? We are supposed to trust our historians to some extent otherwise Dr. Kamath would not be given a Sahitya Academy award for this origianl work in 1973.

I hope you understand my point.

Dineshkannambadi

Dr.Kamat is perhaps a fiction writer and few editors are cleverly using his book to push their state's POV.Kamath is a Karnataka historian and according to me he has zero credibility.He getting Sahitya academy award is immaterial because many editors have contested the validity of so-called research by Mr.Kamath and its usage in wikipedia.See talk pages of Vijayanagara_empire and Krishnadevaraya.It is sad that these articles are also been infested by by citations of this writer. Mahawiki 05:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] communicate when communicated with

I am communicating with the admin. Please refrain from making silly, uneducated statements in between. Your anti - Kannada prejudice is showing.

Dineshkannambadi

It is not addressed to u.Also learn to sign ur comments by 4 ~s.That too at the end of ur post. Mahawiki 09:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of transliteration

Please stop meaningless removal of Kannada transliteration and harping on trivial issues. I don't see such edits adding any value to the article.-- Naveen ^(talk) 15:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Earlier discussions inh this talk page tells the whole story. Still, the section of Karnataka and kannad script needs more citations to verify the contents. Mrtag 04:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kannada citations

The Seuna page was built at large by admin:Utcursch who has been intimated about the blatant tagging by this novice user "Mrtag". Lets hope you can explain your actons to him.Dineshkannambadi 21:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Its a pity that u deleted the fact tag and the other which asked more sources. Your actions speak in volumes about ur motive here. U know nothing of Yadavas. U r clearly 'novice' here. Unless u bring some sensible sources, the lies whoever has wrote here will be removed. Mrtag 02:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yadavas of Deogiri

I request Bl to unprotect the article and rename the present article as Yadavas of Deogiri. Yadavas (by yadavas I mean Yadavas of Deogiri which has Deogiri as their capital) were patrons of Marathi history and culture. Their origin is disputed but majority of historians believe they are from north. Other languages and cultures were insignificant during the rule of Yadavas of Deogiri (which is also proved by the term overthrew the kannada rule in the article). FEW branches might have had other languages as 'court-language' but as 'Yadavas of Deogiri' are prominent rulers amongst Yadavas and they are known as 'first Marathi rulers', the mentions and script of other languages have no place here. The 500 inscriptions which Mr.Kannambadi is talking are from Karnataka, hence he is welcome to create another article as he please.

The major branch of Yadavas namely Yadvas of Deogiri have no relevance with any other language than Marathi. Sant Dnyaneshwar, Rajmata Jijabai are all yadavas, it will be laughable if we associate them with other languages as its a known fact that Jijabai was mother of Great Maratha ruler,Shivaji and Sant Dnyaneshwar who wrote Bhavarthdeepika had himself declared that 'Marathi is even sweeter than Amrit'.

Mrtag 04:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

As mentioned above this page is about Yadavas which had capital at deogiri and hence kannada script is not relevant here. Also kannad origins of yadavas need more sources and trimmed. I also request to rename the article with Yadavas of Deogiri. The kannada origins of Yadavas will be removed unless they are presented by citations.

Intrestingly, the article itself says that kannada inscriptions are from karnataka while yadavas of Deogiri were based in deogiri(aurangabad). Morever kannada was far from being a court language of Yadavas of deogiri,it might be during Seunachandra times, which is also mentioned in the article.But this article,is not about seunachandra, but about Yadavas of Deogiri and hence the kannada script is removed.59.95.28.231 10:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

No explaination is given by Mr.Kannambadi. As explained before,Kannada script has no place here, the Kannada stuff which is extraordinarily 'attention-seeking' and doubtful will be removed tomorrow. Discuss/explain here before making any changes.

Very unfortunate attempt to endorse and pamper Mr.kannambadi. I have produced citation and then edited the article. No one is ansering the question put forward by me. If I create a/c i get blocked and now i am again stopped from editing. Grave injustice. I have tried very hard to get the things done here, purchased few books and encyclopedia and had many sleepless nights. Utter disguisting.Vishu123 06:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

This issue has been discussed before. Please go through the past discussions and the citations. Many authors, including John Keay (in India: A History) have stated that the correct name of the dynasty is Seuna or Sevuna. They have been referred to as "Yadavas of Deogiri" by some historians because they claimed descent from the Yadavas of North India. The name "Seuna" has got absolutely nothing to do with Kannada, Marathi or any other language. utcursch | talk 10:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I have read and referred to many books and Yadavas of Deogiri is most often used. Seunas are used by South Indian historians. But this is not the main issue. Please go through the history of the page and see that whatever i edited is discussed here and with citations. Mr.Kannambadi has tried every way to suppress me. Mr.Bl has locked this page again. Once again I request to open the article. Everyone are invited to scrutinize my edits. I have worked very hard to get the books and sources. Vishu123 17:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

since i accidently removed some tag by Mr.Bl a user reverted it. I have now added more info,reverted and retained the tag. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vishu123 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Vishu123 edits

All edits should come with consensus as this article was put together by admin user:utcursch. Vishu123 is trying to eliminate or chop Kannada/Karnataka related cited material without discussion.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 13:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Mr.Kannambadi while continuing adding nonsense here is rampant by removing cited material. The kannada thing is being glorified without any reason. yadavas of devagari had nothing to do about kannada as proved by my dozens of citations. I did still kept Mr.kamath's view.

I have discussed everything above and those who want to look at it are welcome to do so. DO NOT REMOVE THE CITED INFO. Dont try to start groupism by including Utcursch in ur gang. Vishu123 16:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)