User talk:Settinghawk

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[edit] My Gab

I research information that I am writing about. Like With Studebaker I called the NHTSA, The person I spoke to there did indeed say that Studebaker Motor Company Inc is a sperate licensed company from that of a Avanti Motor Corp. Also they said that Studebaker Motor Company Inc was current on it protyping records etc.

[edit] Nomination for Studebaker Motor Company for AfD

Settinghawk, Just a heads up that I am planning on nominating the Studebaker Motor Company as an article for deletion. I am doing this only after trying to find any additional content on this "company" and only finding its web page, one misspelled press release and wikpedia article (includes content used by other web sites that use Wikipedia articles.) and finding none. The article also lacks in current substantial content about the company, which to my knowledge has not updated its web page, nor met its promised production schedule. My conclusion thus leads me to view the "Studebaker Motor Company" as a speculative enterprise, and not a going concern. Stude62 16:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Follow Up

Stude62 I checked whois.com and they show that studebakermotorcompany.com is reg to studebaker motor company inc. I don't know where you did your search but it could be pulling up only part of the information. check whois.com or directnic.com and see what you get.

Settinghawk- As of the time that I entered the information on the AfD page, according to Network Solutions WHOIS service, the web page was registered to an individual living in Texas. I just did the exact same search and got the exact same response tonight at Ntework Solutions at (checked at 10:17PM(EST) on March 12, 2006). According to whois.com, (checked at 10:20PM(EST) on March 12, 2006) no owner name, either person nor corporate, returns inthe information, only an opportunity to place a bid on it when the contract renews on the one year contract's end date. The current registar on the name is www.nameit.com., not "Studebaker Motor Company". Also, please sign your posts using four tildas ~~~~ - it helps to document which posts are yours and what time you apply them with others having to look at the history for the talk page. Stude62 03:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Making comments on the AfD page

Noticed that you've been making a lot of comments on the AfD page at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Studebaker Motor Company. I moved the commentary to the AfD's talk page and it would help keep things more organized if you could make any additional comments there instead of on the vote page. Thanks! ⇒ BRossow T/C 18:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] no tag on image

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Studebus.jpg

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(personal note from lar follows...)

You may want to select the appropriate license for this image. It presumably is very old but that doesn't mean WP is free to use it. (found on many websites is not the same as free for WP to use...) When you uploaded it, you should have selected from the licensing dropedown to give it the right license. See Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tag for more info. I have tagged it as unlicensed and subject to deletion if it can't be tagged properly. ++Lar: t/c 19:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Lar thank you, I will going shotly and had tags to the other and state there printed ads from 90-103 years ago.

--Settinghawk 19:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about personality conflict

Settinghawk, I want to extend to you a chance to discuss what you have perceived as my personality conflict towards you during the Studebaker Motor discussion. I am troubled by the comments that you have made about this being personality driven, which it never has been. My placing the article on the AFD was because the article could not be verified. Now that it has, I've placed a comment on the AFD page that I have no problem with the article being userfied.

As for my own opinion, the article simply didn't contain enough fact as it was written. It was top heavy in claims (just like the web page) that were unfulfilled. Frankly the SMC web site was so unprofessionally done that it raised too many concerns in my mind that any legitimate company could be taken seriously with an unprofessional web site and no other standardized facts to back their claims up. I was also troubled by the series of events that happened outside of Wikipedia, specifically the web domain ownership changing within hours of my pointing out that Network Solutions had this registered to a person for at least a year prior. I am also suspect of anything that AfD that brings in what I believe are two sock puppet votes as did this AfD; in general "new users" without any Wikipedia history seldom get involved in AfD actions as their only contribution to Wikipedia and then leave as the two suspect screen names did. I could very well be wrong on this, and I am basing my opinion on my past experiences.

I am still very unconfident, even more so now, that SMC will ever do anything that approximates building its own cars, let alone its own car; at best, I believe all this company could ever accomplished under the best of circumstances is fiberglass body applied to a currently produced vehicle. Finally, I am not only offended that whatever SMC is that it claims any type of right to claim that Studebaker's history is a part of their own, but I find those claims misleading. Frankly the whole business smacks as someone's personal fantasy to me, but that is my opinion.

But I would also like you to look at the issue from standpoint as a Wikipedian. Articles on this site have to be nuetral, verifiable, and based in fact, and as presented SMC did not provide those facts themselves, nor did the Wikipedia article.

I will offer you some advice for future reference, and this is something I would suggest to any Wikipedian. In the future I ask that if you again deal with a start up organization - especially one in a field in which you have an vocational interst, such as Studebaker vehicles, please gather as many concrete references as you can and include them by citing them in the article so that others can verify the content. Doing so helps them to see value in the article by knowing that the sources have been checked, and it helps you as a creator by helping to foster the topic at hand.

Again, I wish you well on Wikipedia.

Sincerely - Stude62 13:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Stude62, Inpart one of the reason i feel that it was a conflict is because you have wrote and contributed to over 16 articls on the subject of Studebaker. Your user ID also says your a Studebkaer Nut too and or that you own a 1962 studebaker. The matter of SMC doing a press release, I went in their site and it had been done, I had no involvement with that. From the research I have done, I did come across a designer who had deisgned an Indy race car for SMC and have been trying to right an article on that. Also have been working on one about their first motorcycle, which I learned was delaid because of engineering problems. And from what I have learned by contacting them they are not using anyone elses vehicle chassis to build theirs on. They are engineering a new chassis/vehicle from the ground up. Thank you for posting the support messgea of moving the artical to my user space.--Settinghawk 22:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Settinghawk, Thanks so much for the reply. My grandfather was a Studebaker employee right up to the bitter end in December 1963 and worked on the grounds through January 1964 bolting every thing down, so Studebakers run in blood. In any event if I can help you in contributing to the topic, I'll try my best. Stude62 00:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Stude62 do you havea problem if i put the stuebaker motor company link back on the studebaker artical, that was put there by someone else. you can go back and see it's been there for a long while.--Settinghawk 05:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I do. Until SMC actually produces something other than a press release, I think its better not included. Stude62 15:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Studebaker_Motor_Company

As per request, I have userfied the article to User:Settinghawk/Studebaker_Motor_Company. --Y.Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 04:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Edison1.jpg

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[edit] Fair-use image removed from your user page

Hello, Settinghawk. I've removed Image:Studebakermotorcompanyinclogo.gif from User:Settinghawk/Studebaker Motor Company, as it is a copyrighted image that is being used under a claim of fair use. Unfortunately, by Wikipedia policies, no fair-use images can be used on user pages; please see Wikipedia:Removal of fair use images. This image has not been deleted from any articles. If you have any questions, please let me know. —Bkell (talk) 20:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, Settinghawk. I've removed this image again. Please do not use fair-use images on your user pages, as doing so is a violation of point 9 of the Wikipedia fair-use policy. Let me know if you have any questions. —Bkell (talk) 05:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I see you've changed the information about this image to say that "The Copyright holder allows this picture for non-commercial use and the free use of educational use." Unfortunately this is not considered to be a free license on Wikipedia. Freely licensed images must be free for anyone to use for any purpose, even commercial uses, and must be free for people to modify. There is a list of acceptable free licenses at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Free licenses. If a copyrighted image has not been released under a free license, then it can only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use, and this is the reason this logo is considered to be a fair-use image and is not allowed on your user page. —Bkell (talk) 05:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Bkell is ok to use the the follow with the image? {{logo}}
Yes, you can use that tag, but doing so marks the image as being a copyrighted image that is unlicensed and is being used under a claim of fair use. You cannot use fair-use images on your user page, so it doesn't solve the "problem" of not being able to use the image on User:Settinghawk/Studebaker Motor Company. —Bkell (talk) 02:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Studebakermotorcompanyinclogo.gif)

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