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[edit] His name-- which way round?

Excuse me, are you sure that Kaiba is the Surname? I thought Seto is the surname, since his brother's called Mokuba. In Japanese, Mokuba means wooden horse, and Kaiba means sea horse. Cherubfish 09:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

•Kaiba is the family name. Seto is his personal name, and Mokuba is -his- personal name. Family names come before personal names in Japanese. And also, those translations are not correct. Mokuba's name is spelled in katakana, used for foreign words, and does not mean anything. Kaiba (as it was stated when there was a trivia section) does not mean 'seahorse'; that word in Japanese is "tatsu no otoshigo". The kanji in Seto, Noa, and Mokuba's full neams mean nothing, though I have a theory. It's not appropriate for Wikipedia's standards, however. In English, though, you're right, it is Seto Kaiba and Mokuba Kaiba, but in Japanese, it's the other way around. SapphireSiren 04:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


No, seriously, Seto is a surname! If you search through wikipedia, you'll find Seto is a surname, not a name! 140.120.234.164 10:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


Also, shouldn't it be Yuugi Mutou instead of Yugi? Yuugi is the proper word for "game" in Japanese. 140.120.234.164 10:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

we are in the English wikipedia not the Japanese wikipedia--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 12:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Whether Seto is a surname for someone else has no bearing on this article. His given name is Seto and his surname is Kaiba. Get over yourself.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 17:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


Seto is his personal name, Kaiba his family name. This is made obvious when you bring in Kaiba Mokuba, Kaiba Noa, and Kaiba Gouzaburou. And yes, Yuugi's name has two Us, but people are weird and like to shorten Japanese double vowels (Such as in Jounouchi's name to Jonouchi (which I don't understand why they don't shorten the second 'ou'), and Gouzaburou to Gozaburo.)SapphireSiren 01:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing information?

The Mini Virtual World section is obviously incomplete. Was it ever complete? Should it be finished or can it be deleted? Ppk01 09:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

How come no one mention anything about his connection with Kisara (BEWD's former form)? -dark magician girl 01:28, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

The only connection between Seto and Kisara is that she was the spirit of the Blue Eyes and he has the Blue Eyes cards. Even that is stretching it. There's no connection between them. Between Priest Seto and Kisara, however, is a different story.SapphireSiren 01:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

AK2 21:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC) I added some info on the mini-arc. I'll add info for more of the series later

24.147.228.219 23:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Me again, added more info. Feel free to fix any grammar/spelling errors. Feel free to also continue where I left off, in case i'm gone for a while.

[edit] Set?

I'm not sure about the idea of Seto being the Japanese transliteration of the name Set. Is this from the comic?

"Set" would be transliterated into Japanese as "Setto", the two t's representing a glottal stop. Seto is written in Japanese, I believe, as "Seito", without a glottal stop and with an extra "eee" sound in the middle.

These are different words, though they seem similar in English. Again, was this explicitly stated in the source material? I do not believe that this was ever specificaly stated by the authors but if you read the comics it is hinted upon greatly. In that version Seto was known as the high priest of Set and I think that they altered it slightly for the present day form. The same is true for Issesue (priestess to Isis) and the original of this article did mention Kissar and I am nearly 100% sure that it still does. If not I will certainly rewrite it for you.

Seto is 'Seto' and not Seito or Setto. They are all pronounced differently. Also, if you look up the kanji, you'll see that the kun readings for both kanji include 'se' and 'to'. 'Sei' is not a reading, and 'se' with a small tsu cannot be a reading.SapphireSiren 01:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Takahashi has said specifically that Seto = Set. It's why Seto has no Japanese meaning; it's just a transliteration of Set. Xuanwu 08:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Seto is definitely a transliteration of "Set" - with the exception of "n", Japanese words have to end with a vowel, so to speak. Another good example of this is the main character of Rockman.EXE, Hikari Netto, who despite having a name in kanji, is an obvious pun on the Japanese pronunciation of the word "net", as in "internet".

[edit] Ridiculous

Seto Kaiba with green hair? Absolutely ridiculous!!

Yes Seto Kaiba had green hair in the first series. Which was not (unfortunetly) shown in America due to violence. He also had contacts that made his eyes yellow. In the series afterward he has Brown hair and blue eyes as you are used to seeing him.EVERY ONE PLEASE SIGHN(69.154.241.183 04:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC))

I believe it has been said that Kaiba was originally intended to look as he does in the second anime anyway. Besides, the original anime wasn't that great - basically a watered down version of the original manga. From what I've seen, the US translation of the manga is pretty good, though they still insist on using some of the names from the 4Kids dub for cards and such, so if you want to get the original story, go ahead and pick up the first 7 volumes of the US Yuugiou manga - it begins with Yuugi solving the puzzle (the Ushio story), and ends with the table-top role-playing game with Bakura. ~ライケン

[edit] Japanese Names

Do we really want the Japanese names for the cards here? I personally think that listing the Japanese names isn't really needed. If we do keep them, we should make an effort to include the Japanese names for all the cards instead of just a few. It looks unprofessional to me.

[edit] Age?

Question... how old is Seto in the GX anime. In the box concerning his age, it states he's in his early twenties in his appearances in GX, however in the section concerning his GX appearances, it is stated that he is nearly 30. Someone rectify this, with actual references as to where they received the information. In my opinion, i'm guessing he's more than twenty because of the way that Duel Monsters has become such a "way of life" for people, with schools specifically for duelling all around the place. Besides, Duel Academy would have had to have been established for more than the last three years, because Ryo Marufuji obviously went there for at least two/three years previous to the start of GX and he originally learned to duel from the headmaster at Duel Academy.

  • Seto should be about 27. GX takes place approx. 10 years after the end of the original.SapphireSiren 01:21, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that Seto is 18, not 15 and 16. In the episode where Seto and Mokuba relive the day that they were adopted, Seto remarks, "Not bad for a 12-year old..." It is referenced several times that the Kaiba brothers were adopted 6 years earlier. 12 + 6 = 18.

  • Seto is 15-16 throughout the Japanese anime. Yes, in the English, they make the mistake of making him 18, but Yuugi and his friends are all 15. How could he be in the same class? I doubt they're smart enough for high-end classes, considering that all of them (excepting Anzu) do poorly on and exam in the manga. SapphireSiren 15:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

He's an atheist; he has no religion, and he thinks the supernatural is nonsense.

  • This does not constitute a discussion; I'm removing it again. Danny Lilithborne 00:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Seto Kaiba has contempt for anything that is supernatural. Do you remember his attitude when he met Ishizu for the first time? 134.139.24.139 18:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, could you imagine Seto believing in a benevolent Gpd. He would laugh and say it is all a delusion. I bet he would call transubstantiation a superstition. 134.139.24.181 22:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

He's actually right. In episode 1, Kaiba reads Thus Spoke Zarathustra, a book by Nietzsche, that among other things, contains parodies of the Bible and the famous phrase God is dead. It would seem Kaiba is indeed an athiest. Drake

I agreed at first, but then I removed the category. It's been readded, but I think it maybe should be removed again. 1st, he acts much less intolerant of the supernatural later in the series. 2nd, Wikipedia isn't a place to draw conclusions to unanswered questions. Perhaps Category:Fictional Skeptics could be created for Kaiba? That would suit him well. Please respond on my Talk Page. Thanks. 71.243.175.126 15:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
See my above comment. He not only refuses to believe in the supernatural, but he's a studier of Nietzsche, a famous athiest. Kaiba's an athiest. Drake Clawfang 16:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
My comment was a response to your comment, so obviously I already saw it. If you haven't noticed, later in the series, his comments about not believing in the supernatural are much less common. Kaiba as a religious skeptic? Yes, most definitely. Kaiba as an atheist? At the beginning of the series, certainly, at the end, not quite as certain. 71.243.175.126 16:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Uh-huh, and would you mind telling me the difference between an athiest and a religious skeptic? Scratch that, there ISN'T a difference. Drake Clawfang 18:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Uh-huh. There is a quite a difference. And would you mind actually researching before you make assumptions. Religious skepticism. There. 71.243.175.126 01:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Judging from the short edit history for a year-old article, I wouldn't trust that article's information. Besides, the way it describes it sounds pretty much like athieism to me. You're beating a dead horse here, and quite honestly I'm just bored with the discussion. You've provided little to no reason to remove the category, so as far as I'm concerned it's a done deal. If you want to remove it, go ahead, I'll add it back. Either way this is my last comment on the matter, because the matter was laid to rest some time ago. Drake Clawfang 02:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Listing Kaiba as an atheist violates WP:NOR. Unless you can provide a verifiable source that explicitly states that Kaiba is an atheist, Wikipedia cannot decide for itself that it's true, even if it's plausible original research. Most people in the world who have read Nietzsche have not been atheists, and it sounds like Kaiba's skepticism or anti-supernaturalism in the series is not conclusive and that his attitudes change over time. Therefore, this category must be removed as original research. Also, Clawfang should be warned that refusing to discuss matters and just auto-restoring a debatable change is very Unwikipedian. You are also advised to do a little more research on Nietzsche, and on atheism; mere skepticism is not necessarily atheism, and "God is dead", as Nietzsche used it, was an indictment of Christian ethics, not merely an atheistic aphorism. -Silence 18:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I was not refusing to the discuss the matter. I simply said they had provided little reason to remove the category and that they were arguing a point that had been settled long ago. Don't put words in my mouth. Drake Clawfang 19:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This got readded by someone who also suggested that Ash Ketchum is an atheist. I dunno. I'm still not sold on this, unless reading books by Nietzsche immediately makes one atheist. JuJube 22:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree, despite my arguments long ago. Kaiba probably is an athiest, but there's no proof. Drake Clawfang 22:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


Kaiba says in volume 19 Duel 171 of the manga "Everyone has something they believe in... even deeper than believing in gods. All I did.. was trust that." and "Wh-why did the gods... show me this horrifying knowledge?" Calling him an athiest has as much evidence for it as not calling him one. He was reading Nietzsche, but that doesn't prove anything. Wikipedia is not a place for speculation.Dzerzhinsky 01:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manga Cards

Should a list of Seto's Manga card list be included? Just the names of them. I'm asking because he duels a few times in Yu-Gi-Oh R. That's all. UltimateNagash 17:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, I added them in. If I wasn't meant to, sorry UltimateNagash 17:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Literal Translation

It may be surprising, but I translated Kaiba's name and I got "Sea Horse (Kaiba) Shallow Person (Seto)".

  • I don't think Kaiba means seahorse in his case. And Seto is a transliteration of "Set". JuJube 09:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Kaiba would be more literally translated as 'horse of the sea'. And 'se', means currents or rapids, not shallow.SapphireSiren 15:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seto's astrological sign

I looked it up on Wiki, and if Seto Kaiba's birthday is on October 25th, then that makes him a Scorpio (October 23 to November 22), not a Taurus (April 20 to May 20). I tried to fix it twice, but somebody left me a message to stop. Bookbat_98 00:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The Scorpio page gives two different sets of dates, so your argument is faulty. Besides, that is the sign taken from the official character book. Drake Clawfang 00:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

It's true that Wiki gives each sign two different sets of dates depending on the different zodiac systems (tropicial or Sidereal), however, in the case of the Taurus sign, neither set of dates matches. If you were using the tropicial zodiac system Seto would be a Scorpio, if you were using the sidereal zodiac system then he would be a Libra. Given that, is it at all possible that the date of birth is wrong then? Bookbat_98 01:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Seto's birthday IS the 25th of October, his birthday isn't wrong. And most people use the tropicial zodiac, even though the dates are mismatched. Besides, Seto's characteristics fit that of a Scorpio (secretive and intense) rather than a Libra (indecisive and charming). SapphireSiren 00:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Massive page overhaul

I just noticed a sizable overhaul of the page by Chris McFeeley. Gone is the historical connection of the Blue Eyes White Dragon, not to mention that there is little to no specification regarding which events pertain to the anime or the manga. pinka120

Expand it, by all means. The page was just such an unbelievable mess that something had to be done to get it into some kind of order. Indeed, most of the Yu-Gi-Oh articles on Wikipedia are really, really bad, written in an overly-confusing way with unexplained terminology that makes reading them difficult for anyone who's not a fan of the show. You'll notice that the parts of the page that I wrote about his history didn't often delve into enough specifics to warrant separation of the various stories. As more information is added, of course, that will become a necessity - but I really think that the articles need better terminology that the clunky things we use now, like "Second Series Anime" and "First Series Anime" - what, we couldn't just say "Toei anime" or "NAS anime"? Also, that "connection to the Blue-Eyes" bit, mind you, was all wholly speculative guff - the fact that it's the spirit-bonded monster of a girl who's life he saved remains in the article, and is the only actual factual information there is to offer. Anything about how he "might have loved her," and how it "represents sacrifice to save him from the darkness" is airy-fairy finger-waving that just ain't encyclopedic. - Chris McFeely 17:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

76.19.132.49 Heh. I recently expanded some info, I want to finish the info the to the end of the anime, as Seto is big in the Doma, KC, and Egypt arc, but have been busy training for boot camp and getting a full-time job. I don't mind if anyone fixes any grammatical or spelling errors, but I don't believe I added anything that is irrelevant, even if it is rather long. I just hope nobody does another "overhaul" and deletes my stuff.

If anyone wants to add anything beyond where I left off, feel free. :) I really want readers to learn about Kisara

[edit] Singapore Voice Actor

I just read that Seto's Singapore English voice actor is Dwayne Tan, but when I clicked on the link, it showed that he played Jounouchi, not Seto. I then clicked on Jounouchi's link and there was nothing about the Singapore English actor. Who did Dwayne Tan really play, Seto or Jounouchi? SapphireSiren 01:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)