Talk:Set (music)

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That addition makes no sense. Please explain.

[edit] Woah

Did anyone else notice that the example provided ("0 11 3 4") is calculator talk for "hello?" V-Man737 03:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Forgive me if I'm making an obvious mistake, but I don't understand the "calculation" in the fourth box on this page. Why does adding 8 semitones to 4 given an answer of 5? Why isn't it 12? (or back to zero). Please can anyone kindly explain?. thanks. --Astronautomens2 12:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The "calculation" doesn't appear correct because the second group of 4 notes is not a transposition of the first 4 as the article states. The numbers do properly correspond to the notes given though so I don't know where the mistake might be. Can anyone with access to the book cited check for accuracy? --Drberg1000 16:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Providing historical, biographical information regarding the formation of these concepts (names, dates, cultural relevances, etc.) would greatly improve my understanding. --[user:magdalenemariefrylxky]

[edit] page is now correct

Drberg1000 was correct. The illustration originally on this page looked like this

The first set being:

0 11 3 4

The second being the first transposed up eight semitones:

  0 11 3 4
+ 8 8  8 8
  --------
= 8 7  9 5

and was mathematically incorrect, and in fact is not even the procedure Webern used to construct the prime-form of the row. I've corrected it and given a complete explanation. Monz (talk) 20:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] further comments

I'm glad i finally fixed it -- it was bugging me ever since the first time i saw it, but Webern's row construction is so complex that i couldn't figure it out myself after the first try. Luckily, this row was discussed in an essay in "Perpectives on Contemporary Music Theory", which i have, so that helped. Monz (talk) 20:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)