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[edit] Service Rifle Competiton

civilian competitions Service Rifle competition is divied into two types SR(a) and SR(b) using a bolt actioned rifle with fixed sights, Courses of fire are based on those fired by the Armed Forces, Matches may involve deliberate, rapid fire and snap shooting, and will usually involve firing from a variety of positions including prone, sitting, kneeling, standing. Competitions are usually fired on representative figure targets such as the Figure 11 and Figure 12 figure targets. For civilian competitors firing in matches alongside military competitions a rifle with a magazine capacity of at least 10 shots is advisable.

Civilian Clubs that ho;d service rifle competitions are the Wellington Service Rifle Association and the 18th Battalion Memorial Rifle Club

I've removed the preceding section by Dougree. IMO it doesn't really belong in this article as currently configured. heqs 12:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Why in your opinion does this not belong I would have thought that Service Rifle Competiton would be a logical extention to Service Rifle?--Dougree 15:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe it belongs somewhere like, for instance, Shooting sports#Rifle shooting sports or the type of article in Category:Rifle shooting sports. Service rifle is about service rifles, not shooting competitions. heqs 19:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List

I think it is worth mentioning variants of the standard issue rifles, such as the M4 of the M16. CynicalMe 16:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I'd like the list to be a brief (partial) list, with only the main service rifle of each regular army listed. A more comprehensive list could get its own article. But it's not a big deal to me. heqs 16:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, what about combining this article in some way with the battle rifle article? I think that having indiv. articles could be confusing to some. CynicalMe 16:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the only thing is that "battle rifle" is not as clearly defined a term. heqs 17:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Therein lies the problem. Someone searching for info on service rifles may only know the term 'battle rifle', and not find what they are looking for. Although I suppose this could be fixed with a link. CynicalMe 17:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Service pistol

Service pistol seems to be an all around better, more comprehensive article - let's check there for pointers when improving this one. heqs 09:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Yep and the Service pistol article is only a few days old, credit to Commander Zulu for starting AND adding all the info! Deon Steyn 11:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well that explains why I never found it before... heqs 13:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the Service pistol article had a section on history, so I decided to implement a section like that in this article too (As well as a Future? section). Does it seem okay? CeeWhy2 11:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Dont you think that the list of service rifles at the bottom should be merged with List of service rifles of national armies theres no use splitting up the article. --Gw099 00:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree. It could be completely removed from this article leaving only a point in the See also section. --Deon Steyn 05:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it should be cut down, but not completely removed. Cut it down to the 8 rifles shown in the gallery towards the bottom, perhaps? CeeWhy2 07:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Leaving some will always invite editors to add more? --Deon Steyn 06:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Good point. CeeWhy2 06:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
You know, I think it would be a better idea if we just got rid of the whole list of service rifles, remove the gallery and just link to List of service rifles of national armies in the see also section. The article is becoming too cluttered. CeeWhy2 09:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added extra section onto history

I have decided that the term "service rifle" could apply to any standard-issue firearm for infantry, and added a section onto the history written as such. AllStarZ 05:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First service rifle

I would have thought the MP 43, turned Sturm Gewehr 44, would be the first Assault rifle accepted by a country as a Service rifle, followed shortly by the Sturm Gewehr 45.--THobern 06:54, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Expansion

I've taken the liberty of expanding the article with a brief list of service rifles by nation, a la Service pistol. I'm taking a rather generalist approach, rather than listing every single rifle that might have been issued to a particular armed force at any given time. There's still a bit of work to do- for example, I know the Japanese are using M-16 rifles, but I don't know when they were adopted, nor what they were using between 1945 and whenever the M-16 was adopted (M1 Garands? M-14s?). Anyway, there's more expansion to come, but if anyone wants to help they're more than welcome!--Commander Zulu 14:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I stand corrected, it turns out the Japanese are using Howa Type 64 and Type 89 rifles rather than M-16s (turns out Godzilla movies are not reliable sources of information on JSDF weaponry!), but there's still a gap in Japanese military rifles between 1945 and 1964 that I'm unsure about. --Commander Zulu 14:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)