Talk:Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky

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Information about new color composites quoted from public domain text at http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/prokhtml/prokcolor.html , accessed on 12 October 2004.

1 Color printing
2 Gallery
3 Self-referencing
4 Source for high-res pictures
5 Failed GA nomination
6 List of photographs
7 Exposure time
8 Photo gallery
9 Spelling
10 Three color photography

[edit] Color printing

The information that Prokudin-Gorskii didn't have color printing method seems wrong. He used color printing method "carbo", published number of color postcards and had color printing company. Two of his color prints are published in the Svetlana Garanina's excellent biography article at: http://www.prokudin-gorsky.ru/downloads.shtml It contains some other details and corrections relative to LOC's exposition biography.

Honza

[edit] Gallery

This page is becoming a photo gallery. In future, people can go to the commons site if they want to view all these pictures, and I reccomend only a selection be shown in the actual page. Dave 11:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Self-referencing

This article contains a lot of self-references. I'm thinking of the Gallery header, which should be removed or reworked entirely, and List of photographs, which is entirely self-referencing and even wikilinks to a category within the article. What do you think? Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source for high-res pictures

From where are the hi-resolution versions of theimages taken? The LOC on-line exhibit doesn't seem to have any pictures at such a high resolution. 70.226.144.242 03:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

ah, I see. I guess I just wasn't looking hard enough: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/p?pp/prok:@band(color+rendering) has resonably high resolutions for a lot of the pictures. 70.226.144.242 03:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Failed GA nomination

I failed this GA because, if it's supposed to be some kind of biography, it's just a stub. I'm not failing it based on length, but on information. The only information in here is about his photography; no biological, early life, relationship info. Also several small, but important things:

The first image caption says it's a self-portrait. That makes it sound like it was a painting. I did a double-take when I read that.

The other image looks like it should be in the Techniques section, but...

The Techniques and Photography section could be easily merged...although that's pretty much the whole article.

References only go directly after periods or commas, not in the middle of sentences.

--Dark Kubrick 19:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of photographs

Moved from article page. Prokudin-Gorskii's photos appear in the Category:Prokudin-Gorskii images and the following articles:

Whilst not really appropriate on the article page (The Wikimedia Commons link is a better route to more Prokudin-Gorskii photos), there is no harm in maintaining this list of related articles on the talk page. -- Solipsist 20:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

At the moment I can't find the appropriate section of the Manual of Style or other guidelines, but User:Jobjörn was basically correct that Wikipedia articles should avoid self references. That is to say this article is really about Prokudin-Gorskii, so this list of articles is more about the structure of Wikipedia not Prokudin-Gorskii's life. That is to say there is no particular reason that a reader interested in Prokudin-Gorskii would also be interested in reading about Sochi.

The one benefit they do provide is a means for readers to find more examples of Prokudin-Gorskii's photos. But that is more concisely acheived with the Commons link to Commons:Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii at the top of the External links section. -- Solipsist 21:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exposure time

One thing that may be of interest and IMHO we should mention is what sort of exposure time are we talking about here? Obviously it's going to depend a lot of the conditions and I would assume it would be about 3x normal exposure times for those days but many people would probably have no idea what that would be. Nil Einne 16:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

This is what P-G claims in his letter to Leo Tolstoi

At this time, now that the process of taking photographs using my method and my plates requires from one to three seconds, I permit myself to ask your permission for me to visit for one or two days (keeping in mind the state of your health and the weather), thereby in order to take several color pictures of you and your spouse...

Later he mentions 20 seconds exposure due to weather conditions. Exposing through color filter takes significandly longer than exposure without filter and red filter took about twice as long as the other two separations. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/prokhtml/prokcompos.html compute exposure time based on moon movement during the separations, result is over minute. --Honza (talk) 14:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photo gallery

That guy's photographs look newer than the captions say they are. I think the color might have been added on later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scott Gall (talk • contribs) 05:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

From some points of view you are right the color were really added in 2000s. Please read the article carefuly. --Li-sung 14:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

I've seen different ways of spelling Prokudin-Gorsky's full name, so I did a google search to see which way of spelling gave the most hits. Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii gave around 25,000 results, while Sergey Mikhaylovich Prokudin-Gorsky only gave about 250 hits. Even when omitting his middle name, Sergei Prokudin-Gorskii had overwhelmingly more hits than Sergey Prokudin-Gorsky. Therefore I think the name of this article should be changed into Sergei Prokudin-Gorskii.

/Cyan

Romanization of Russian names in Wikipedia is per Russian language romanization guideline. Exceptions are possible, but not based on google hits alone.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for informing me. /Cyan

[edit] Three color photography

It seems that this article should be split into article on three color photography, technique pioneered by Louis Ducos du Hauron, Adolf Miethe and others and mastered by Prokudin-Gorsky and the remainder of article about Prokudin-Gorsky life and work.

--Honza (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)