Talk:Serge and Beate Klarsfeld

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Contents 1 1998? 2 Nazi hunter 3 Blatant POV 4 Psychological speculation 5 WikiProject class rating 6 My recent edits

[edit] 1998?

Their major role in the trial of a former cabinet minister is now making headlines - I guess this refers to the 1998 Papon trial, which, as far as I know, made the headlines 8 years ago. If I'm correct, the first paragraph of this article (at least) was written 3 years before the founding of Wikipedia and is most likely a copyright violation. I'm removing the sentence. Hillel 16:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi hunter

The article Nazi hunter is currently being considered at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nazi hunter. Perhaps a category would be more appropriate? -- Aleph4 17:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Votestacking much? Although I do agree with the creation of a category as being more appropriate. --Strothra 14:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blatant POV

This is the most stridently POV article I've yet seen in Wikipedia. It prominently notes "various violent acts" with the mention of one slap and a charge (in German, with no translation provided), both prosecuted and punished, while making a blanket allusion to an "international reputation" for protest -- and nothing more regarding these presumably notable individuals.

Yet where on this page is there any mention whatsoever -- as can be found in the French Wikipedia page and is widely available elsewhere in electronic and print media -- of the Klarsfelds' academic qualifications and their decades of extensive work in documenting and publicizing the largescale murders and abuses of hundreds of thousands of civilians, among them children, in France, Belgium, and Eastern Europe under the Nazi regime, and their contributions to commemorating the victims of the Holocaust? (And "not to mention", for one example, their being named to France's Legion of Honor by President Mitterrand in 1984.)

I would contend that their notability is for this, far beyond their "anti-Nazi and ...pro-Israel" stance and a few highly publicized convictions on assault charges, and that further editing of this page is warranted, some of which I shall undertake myself. -- Deborahjay 00:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree this article needs work I would especially like clarification on why their methods are viewed as "too harsh" which when involving nazi war criminals seems like an oxymoron. 217.43.102.22 23:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Psychological speculation

I removed Concerning Beate, it has been suggested that she suffers from a form of guilt complex, motivating her to attack some of her own countrymen so actively. as an unsourced psychological assesment. This is the bio of living people, and should be sourced in accordance with WP:LP Cantankrus 20:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My recent edits

I have reverted some edits on this article, because it is glorifying the actions of the Klarfelds and it ignores some details because people consider certain terms to be offensive. I used the word "Jew" which I consider to be the correct term, it is not an insult and to say "of Jewish descent" seems pointless to me, either you are a Jew or not.

To mention the criminal charges in the first paragraph is important, as to me, this is what differentiates the Klarsfelds from other Nazi-Hunters, they were prepared to operate outside of the law, put themselves at risk of prosecution, and were found guilty on more than one occasion. I see no reason for this important distinction to be ignored. The category "criminals" - they are convicted criminals, the fact that they were criminally convicted is important and their dealings with the law have played a major part in their lives/work.

Please don't edit this article with the idea that the Klarsfelds are heroes, they might be heroes in your eyes - in the eyes of wikipedia they should be neither heroes nor villains. If you think the article is not positive enough, then find some quotes/awards from reliable and neutral sources and put them in the article, that is much better than using/avoiding certain terms in order to glorify their actions/excuse their crimes. Sennen goroshi (talk) 02:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a WP:BLP. Don't remove material that balances the article simply because it actually gives the reasons for their activities. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)