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[edit] Yugoslavian comics?

Hi! Wouldn't it be better to make an article for comics in Yugoslavia, and Serbian comics could deal with Comics made in the last one or two decades, of course starting with a link to Yu comics. I think it would be less confusing and after all - as far as I know - Serbia was not totally an individiual scene withing Yugoslavia. Zoli79 (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It is a tricky one and has the potential to step on quite a few toes. How about Yugoslavian comics which would then discuss the history of comics up until the break up of Yugoslavia - you can create sections for Serbian comics, Croatian comics, Bosnian comics and then if they look like they are large enough then they can be their own entries linked in from the appropriate section using {{main}}. These entries could then refer back to "Yugoslavian comics" for the first part of the story and then cover the relevant bits of history and expand on the post-break-up scene. Sound like a plan? (Emperor (talk) 00:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC))
Sounds like a plan. Although I already see those toes... --Zoli79 (talk) 22:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh well quite - the problem is if we try and classify things too much I can see various areas that will cause headaches and in the end it might come down to what the creators or publishers think (which might change over time). I'd suggest "Yugoslavian comics" is the broadest name and we can see how it goes from there but it'd be wise to take things slowly and make sure there is a solid consensus first. (02:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperor (talk • contribs)
"Taking things slow", as a first step should a new page be created for Yugoslavian comics, or should this be renamed? I think the first option would be better, since sooner or later a Serbian comics page will be needed. --Zoli79 (talk) 13:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
create a new page if you want don't rename this one, like in articles about cinema, there is Yugoslavian and serbian, croatian... this is article about Serbian comic including those before and after Yugoslavia Vladar86 (talk) 00:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree on not moving or deleting this article, but separating pre-nineties Serbian comics from Yugoslavian comics in general is pretty hard - and useless - for three main reasons:
  • Yugoslavia, with one major common language, behaved as one market in the field of comics. Serbian artists were read by Croatian readers and vice versa.
  • Vojvodina had a great role in Yugoslavian comics. You may put that to Serbian comics, since its a part of Serbia, but it represented the multicultural Yugoslavia, with some magazines even printed in many minority languages.
  • I'm sure there were many projects with mixed participants.
I think this whole debate is much like the Franco/Belgian comics versus Belgian comics, French comics, except for that in this case we're talking about non existent or stub articles... Zoli79 (talk) 13:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Vojvodina comic??? never heard about that, Vojvodina culture it is part of Serbian culture, it can not be separated from it. It same if you say Budapest comic have great role in European comic Vladar86 (talk) 23:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

You grasp into one thought without trying to understand the whole issue. Budapest is a city, not an autonomy, nor a multicultural region. And I did not say that Vojvodina has or had a clearly distinctive comics culture within Yugoslavia. What I did say was that it had a great role in comics. For example Forum/Marketprint in Novi Sad published/publishes many important series (Crtani romani, Stripovani romani, Stripoteka, etc.), some in languages of minorities (Asterix, Lucky Luke, Buksi/Kekec).

Here's an excerpt from [| Zdravko Zupan's The Golden Age of Serbian Comics (1935-1941)] that in my opinion shows that you can't separate past culture by today's borders: "In order to sell better in the western parts of Yugoslavia (today's Croatia and Slovenia), some publications were printed also in Latin alphabet, not only in the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. In fact, Strip even had several editions translated into Hungarian and in Slovak language, printed and marketed simultaneously with Serbian editions."

And these were the thirties. I assume, that cultural communication became stronger in the few peaceful decades after WWII. Even today, when I visit Novi Sad, in bookstores I see many comics published in Croatia, Slovenia.

And finally, let me write a personal experience: A few years ago in Budapest's Comics Fans Club I hosted a lecture and talk about Yugoslavian comics. My presentation was mainly about the golden age, since that was the period I found substantial English source for. I kept on referring to persons as Serbians, Croatians, etc, and a Serbian comic book artist guest corrected me after a while, that then they were plainly Yugoslavian. This might not be 100% true, but I believe that pointing out and emphasizing today who was Croatian, who was Serbian in those years is pointless and might give way to nationalism. Of course, when talking about today's comics, it is important, since they are different countries. To put things short: I still think Serbian comics should deal with the present (post Balkan crisis years), and comic book history of the period before, should be under Yugoslavian comics. --Zoli79 (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree about yugoslavia part, many serbian authors publish their books in zagreb and vice versa... But you are saying that vojvodina comic (again, never heard of it) are separated entity from serbian comic but serbin comic can not be separated from yugoslavian comic?? Vladar86 (talk) 01:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, first of all, I'm happy we're reaching some kind of conclusion here. I never said that Vojvodina should be discussed separately from Serbia (in present), although I brought it up as a point to illustrate how Yugoslavia's multi ethnicity affected its comics culture (in past). --Zoli79 (talk) 08:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)