Talk:Separation policy (Israel)

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None of the sources listed confirms the existence of such formal policy. Talking about it as if it were official government policy is misleading. At most, it's a term some people use to describe some steps Israel takes. okedem 18:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It is a government policy. The fact that there is confusion as to the name has to do with the difficulties in translation. In Hebrew, the general policy that is the sum of the components described is regularly referred to hafrada, and no one in Israel contests its existence. We are not talking about apartheid per se here but a policy of separation that is rather indisputable. Please read the sources. Tiamut 19:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I've seen the sources. I've yet to see one that actually says "Hafrada" is government policy. In the article: "The separation policy was adopted by Israel’s National Security Council where Scheuftan served as an advisor. [2]" - but I've seen no mention of the National Security Council in that source (though I haven't read it all, mainly searched it).

It's not "apartheid per se", it's not apartheid per anything. It's like saying the USA building a fence along its border with Mexico is apartheid. The steps toward separation are along the lines of the two states, and that should be mentioned - if the Palestinians are to have a state of their own, like they seem to want, Israel must separate itself from the Palestinians and their lands. Seems obvious to me. okedem 21:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The quote about the National Security Council is from a footnote in that article, so perhaps your search function isn't picking it up. As for your second point, it's political commentary. I'm more interested in working on the article content than discussing the semantics around comments I've made in the talk. Tiamut 21:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for the formatting the references so nicely. I've never figured that out. Tiamut 21:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm saying that it should be clear that steps toward separation aren't just a whim on Israel's part, but that the future of the region seems to demand some sort of separation (like the Hitnatkut), if the two state solution is to be realized. okedem 21:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If you think that interpretation of where we are heading in important to express in the article, put together a paragraph and add it to the article. (It's just a stub for now. It could stay that way, it could get larger.) I personally feel that we are heading towards a transfer of Arab citizens out of Israel under the this separation policy (something that concerns me and other Arabs I know since as you know, we live here and would like to stay). If you want to create a section that explains why the policy was adopted we can, and it should represent all significant POVs. I'll wait for your move. Tiamut 22:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)