Talk:SEPTA City Transit Division surface routes

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The subway-surface and route 15 references were deleted because in the main paragraph of the article, it makes reference to buses and trackless trolleys, NOT streetcar routes. Route 15 and the subway-surface lines have their own dedicated pages and links from the main SEPTA article. I stand behind my deletion of the 10, 11, 13, 15, 34 and 36 from this article. Making reference in this article is almost redundant.Ctrabs74 12:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. No need for a redundant reference here. —CComMack (t–c) 14:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

There are links in the first column to the details on the trolley lines. --NE2 18:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ctrabs. There is a separate article for the Trolley-Lines, and there is no reason to mix bus routes with trolley routes. Perhaps note at the beginning can note that City Division Transit Routes like the BSL, MFL, SSL, and 15 have theire own pages.-- danntm ^T _C 20:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

These are all very similar surface routes, some of which happen to use steel wheels rather than rubber tires. They are all numbered in the same system, and to not include them is confusing for non-Philadelphians. --NE2 21:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The way its set up right now, it's hard to differentiate the different modes. On the part of SEPTA's web site where the routes are listed, the streetcar routes are listed separately from the bus routes. I have, however, begrudgingly decided to make the updates in your format until a concensous is reached on this issue. Ctrabs74 23:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, SEPTA's site doesn't group the routes by city and suburban divisions as we do; they have one page for 1-89 and another for 90-314 and lettered. The modes are differentiated by the notes; do you think it would be useful to add a light background color (probably green, since that's what the SEPTA map uses) for the trolleys? --NE2 00:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

For starters, that would help.

Secondly, if we are going to decide to keep the trolley routes listed, the paragraph, and for that matter, the title of this article should probably be changed to reflect that. Ctrabs74 12:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Streetcar color

I replaced light green with light blue for the 15 line because this is how SEPTA shows the (currently) only surface streetcar line on their 2006 City Transit map -- Cecropia 21:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)