Template talk:Senators of the 110th Congress

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[edit] Unhelpful?

I think the various templates, {{Senators of the 110th Congress}}, {{Senators of the 109th Congress}}, etc. should be deleted because they really don't serve any truly helpful purpose. What do you all think?—Markles 21:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

How can we gauge how useful they are if they are continuously removed by Markles from the pages they are attached to? Craig L. Thomas was a member of the 110th congress but, as being deceased,is no longer eligable to have the current Senators Template. As for the older, more historical templates, it allows for easy navigation between Senators of a certain era. For instance, when Senators of the 1st Congress is created. You will be able to navigate between all ofthe Senatorsof the first congress from their individual pages. very helpful indeed.--Dr who1975 (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
  • The problem I envision is placement of the templates. Imagine Jack Reed, for example. He's 50th out of the 100 current senators by seniority. He's been a Senator since 1997. His article would therefore have 7 of these templates at the bottom. Don't get me started on Ted Kennedy or Strom Thurmond. There are 100+ Senators who serve during each congress. My only only only complaint is that it's a heck of a lot of names, links, etc. to jumble up an article.—Markles 17:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
  • As an historical object, it provides a context for all Senators sitting at the same time. A model for all of the Senate sessions, if allowed to develop.
  • Is there a similar reference list anywhere on wikipedia? If so, point it out.
  • On the objection of taking space on the bottom of a page, especially for individuals with long terms in office, a single line show-box / hide-box could be made that holds all of the relevent sessions information. And inside that layer, a set of single-line show boxes, one for each Congress. The interested may open the two-tier show box, other readers may pass it by.
    -- Yellowdesk (talk) 17:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey Markles, I'm glad we're finally getting to the heart of the issue. I see a couple of possibilities. Yellowdesk's idea was one of them (although it would require creating seperate templates for each and every Senator). I may be able to work out some kind of collapsable framework where you only display one Senate at a time... this would be a seperate nav box from the list of current Senators. Let me see what I can do over the thanksgiving week end.--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll consider the collapsible boxes. Let's see how it looks, User:Dr who1975.—Markles 20:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Collapsible nav boxes should not require creation of template for each Senator, I think...just adding the template with correct collapse-stuff to each senator page. I've not made many of these, so I'd have to find one for an example. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 04:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Here's where to learn more, I think. {{Navbox}} -- Yellowdesk (talk) 05:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits for collapsible navigation display

I set the standard setting to state = collapsed,
That means it is automatically one line now. That should answer the "too much space" issue, for the current congress only.
Creating a two tier version: I think there is a way to list multiple templates inside another collapsed box, without making 100 custom templates. Tomorrow, or later for me.
-- Yellowdesk (talk) 06:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I suspect the method is a collapsible table, with the templates inside that table. Finding how to match the colors, would be next, for the header. See: Wikipedia:Collapsible tables
-- Yellowdesk (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)