Talk:Semyon Timoshenko

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The link partway down the page embedded in the word "Uman" is bad. I don't know what it should be but it leads the reader to the page for the country of Oman and I would be really surprised if the Nazis ever fought the Soviets there, much less inflicted a severe defeat on them.

Ingvar

[edit] "Slowing down the Investment of Stalingrad"

The article claims that the Second Battle of Kharkov, initiated by the Soviets, effectively slowed down the German offensive towards the Caucasus, which would later also split towards Stalingrad (not an original objective). Paulus had originally envisioned the destruction of the Izium Salient to being as a prelude to Fall Blau; reports indicate that a principal participant, Kleist, was not able to begin until around the 17th of May - the day in which he struck the flank of the Soviet advance during the Second Battle of Kharkov. Meaning, Paulus' offensive was technically only held back for nine days. It's important to note, however, that the destruction of Timoshenko's army did also leave open the road to the Caucasus, and in the end I have no doubt that the Soviet attack would actually bring Stalingrad closer, since in effect they had guaranteed the destruction of 200,000 men that could have been better used in a defensive holding action against the Germans. So, in short terms, I would have to dispute the claim this article makes.

Regardless, I would also like cooperation between the article's author(s) and myself, as I am working on the article for the Second Battle of Kharkov, previously a stub. It is a work in progress, meaning it will take a few edits for me to complete it, over some days, perhaps a week or so. Nonetheless, I can't find very suitable numbers for German casualties or German numbers prior to the battle. The battlebox had put it at 20,000 losses, with an original number of 300,000 German soldiers. I left it unchanged, although I did change other sections of the battlebox in order to reflect it more accurately. Thanks in advance!

Catalan 20:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah really. "Although Timoshenko's actions slowed the German advance on Stalingrad, he was forced to accept responsibility for failing to drive back the German forces." Um, the Izium attack was a gift to the Germans. I didn't slow down the Germans so much as destroy the Soviet units that mught have made a fighting retreat. This whole article is way too easy on Timoshenko, in my opinion. Herostratus 19:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)