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View comments (edit) A good article. Well written, referenced, and contains a table. It could use a little more illustration. --Aaron Walden (16 February 06) Does a good job discussing the contemporary status and situation of the Seminole, not just their history. Should have more citations, and could doubtlessly be expanded, but ultimately has a fair amount of discussion and detail --Miskwito 15:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Team nickname 2 Editting of the Unnecessary 3 "related groups" info removed from infobox 4 seminole 5 removed "only tribe not to sign treaty" references 6 Seminoles as a triracial isolate group?

[edit] Team nickname

• I've heard 3rd person reports that some Seminoles (especially those in Florida and amoung Black Seminoles) are unhappy with the use of Seminoles as a team mascot not because of its general degradation of Native Americans, but because many of the Seminole depictions are of Plains Indians, and not those of the Black Seminoles or Everglades. Anybody have anything on this? -65.122.209.136 01:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It appears they have no problem with Florida State University over this, see [1]. Can you point to any other school calling themselves 'Seminoles' where there might be a problem? -- Donald Albury 02:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've heard just the opposite as well. The Florida tribe(s) are okay with the team using it, and the depictions are pretty accurate (the mascot, Osceola, is not portrayed as a Plains Indian). I have heard the Oklahoma tribe was not consulted for the discussions about the name, and are unhappy about that, not because of the portrayal.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Could someone correct the number of Seminoles stated in the first paragraph as having been forced to move west of the Mississippi? The number currently stated is "3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Seminoles," and that's patently impossible. Misterdoe 15:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editting of the Unnecessary

I took out the following sentence: "Many people did not want the indians." from the end of the section on the Seminole Wars as it did not fit the passage and didn't make a lot of sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Droddfinger (talk • contribs) 22:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] "related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] seminole

wat did they eat? seminoles ate a lot of things including alligator and turtle they had a lot of bread and corn.

where abouts did they live? i cant seem to find that, and i need the info 4 school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maladicta (talk • contribs) 06:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you read the first sentence? Pfly 08:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

i meant on a map, but thanks. i really shoudnt skimread.Maladicta V J E G R W T U O H G V H S Q D R T N M B F G H K L X C Z V G B J N J M H E T of Uberwold 22:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removed "only tribe not to sign treaty" references

I have removed the following line from the intro:

'The Florida Seminoles are the only American Indian tribe never to have signed a formal peace treaty with the United States" (ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/sports/24mascot.html "Florida State Can Keep Its Seminoles"] from The New York Times)'

and the following line from the FSU section:

'The article states, "The Seminoles are the only American Indian tribe never to sign a formal peace treaty with the United States. To celebrate this status, Florida State erected Unconquered, a statue of Chief Osceola outside its football stadium."'

Although properly attributed, the prior statement is simply false. The NY Times is wrong, as any cursory reading of the history of Californian native peoples will attest. It's possible the NY Times is using some very specific definition of "American Indian tribe;" if so, this definition should be included if this information is added back in. Yawar.fiesta (talk) 23:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent point. The Timucua never signed a peace treaty with the US government, as they were gone by the time it was created.--Cúchullain ^t/c 23:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seminoles as a triracial isolate group?

According to "Lies My Teacher Told Me Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong" by James W Loewen, "The Seminoles did not exist as a tribe or nation before the arrival of Europeans and Africans. They were a triracial isolate composed of Creek Indians, remnants of smaller tribes, runaway slaves, and whites who preferred to live in Indian society." page 151 2007 edition 69.23.106.111 (talk) 02:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Seminoles as a tribal nation are truly a combination of races living together out of harmony or by involuntary inclusion, such as the case involving black African slaves. Many members of the Seminole tribe in official racial classification or tribal identity are classified as "white", "black" and "Hispanic" due to contact with the Spanish settlers in West Florida in the 17th and 18th centuries. But not all Seminole tribes approved of interracial marriage or offspring, the Big Cypress Seminole of Florida restrict tribal membership and miscegenation, thus made it difficult for mixed-blood descendants to join the tribe.

In Oklahoma, thousands of Western Seminoles have Spanish surnames instead of English or in some cases, French surnames...and there are plenty of Seminole members of the Roman Catholic church other than attending Baptist, Methodist or mainline Protestant churches typical of neighboring American Indian tribes in the Southeast US. After reading the article, it did mention some Seminoles (i.e. Black Seminoles emancipated or escaped from slavery) found refuge in Mexico (the states of Coahuila and Nuevo Leon) across the Rio Grande in southern Texas, where probably thousands more of their descendants may merged with the Mexican population. I expect thousands more of unspecified Seminole live among the Mexican-American community in Texas, therefore you may have a subgroup of Mexican Seminoles. + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)