Talk:Semiconductor sales leaders by year
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[edit] Reference sources
What is the source of this information? Unless it is drawn from a reputable source or sources, this would seem to run afoul of a core Wikipedia policy, namely Wikipedia:No original research. -- Visviva 13:09, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- I note that the French version, from which this is translated, also does not seem to cite its sources. -- Visviva 13:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I have added some more informations about the sources (isupply and dataquest). This is possible to verify the sources looking at press-releases done by eetimes.com for instance (searching in the archive). For years before 1999, the source comes from electonics paper magazines...
I hope this is enough.
User:do_it 17 May 2006
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- I've done some editing to tidy up the text, but while there are external references for many of the sources I think this falls pretty close to the definition or original research. Compiling the rankings looks like it requires the editors who have written this to make original judgements and analysis while gathering raw data from press releases and annual reports. They will have to make judgements about reported figures as to whether semi-conductor revenues are comparable, evaluate whether accounting lines should be included or excluded. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great bit of work, but I'm not sure that it fits within wikipedia's guidelines (Wikipedia:No original research).Saganaki- 01:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Here's an intermediate update of the ranking -- with source: Shakeup hits top-10 chip rankings on EETimes, October 29, 2007 The Seventh Taylor 20:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Here's the preliminary 2007 list according to iSuppli: 2007 winners and losers separated by competitiveness The Seventh Taylor (talk) 09:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Europe as a country!! Why?
I think its because in the original source the companies based in Europe are cited like that. But if Europe is listed like that, Japan and South Korea companies should be listed has Asia and USA companies as The Americas or at least North America.
I think we should put the real coutry of origin in this page and in other pages that commit the same mistake.
ACamposPinho 20:44, 28 May 2006
[edit] Re:Europe as a country!! Why?
Hello,
You are right : when the pubilications indicate the countries, they alway consider Europe as a whole. In my opinion, the main reason is that each individual countries of Europe are weak actors in the world of semiconductors in front of US, Japan or South Korea (And note that I am european!). Just have a look at the number of Japan and US companies in the TOP 20!
If you want, why not put :
- Infineon = Germany
- Philips = Nederland.
But what about STMicroelectronics? is it french or italian? (look at STMicroelectronics history).
--Do it 22:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi!STM is a little hard but I know its history and ownership. It's like Shell or Unilever. It's Franco-Italian. But "de jure" its dutch, since it's legally registered in Netherlands, it's international Headquarters are in Switzerland, but "de facto" it is Franco-Italian.It's Major shareholder are from France and Italy. Areva of France together with Caisse de Depots et Consignations (a French Public Bank) owns more than 22%, Finmeccanica of Italy together with Ministero delle Finaze e Tesoro owns an equal share. So Italy and French companies and Governments owns almost 50%. And these companies are companies with a big Government share since they are strategich enterprises of each country and operating in strategich sctor-energy, defence, nuclear,... The other shares since they are traded mainly in Paris and Milan stock exchanges can belong potentiallyto French and Italian investors in majority, plus International funds. STM is a little like EADS (wich is registered in Netherlands but is de facto a Franco-German company and Spanish to a lesser extent and many times is regarded as only French). STM is Franco-Italian, sometimes, specially in publications about Europe's Top 500 Firms by Capitalization it's considered French, other times it's considered Italian, since it's president it's Italian, since the change of name to STM is regraded as more italian and it's main production sites are in Italy,but the reallity is that it's Franco-Italian.
ACamposPinho 0:49, 3 July 2006
[edit] Note towards 2006 rankings
On 2006-09-01, it was announced that the Philips Semiconductors Division has become NXP as a separate semiconductor company. DFH 17:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Category:Semiconductor companies
Today I have spent some time filling up a new category I created for semiconductor companies. Visit its talk page to view what still needs doing. The new category is not restricted to the top twenty. DFH 19:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Incomplete years
The rankings for years 1999, 1998, 1997 show only the Top 10. Is there another information source that could be used to complete the tables for the Top 20? DFH 09:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reply:Incomplete years
I found these rankings in the archives of eetimes (www.eetimes.com), dataquest/gartner or isupply. Unfortunately, for these years 1997/98/99, I only found the top 10ni those archives.
For instance you can find year 1999/2000 at [eetimes top10 1999/2000]
If you manage to find more informations, dont hesitate to publish them! Better would be to find some analysts working at gartner/dataquet or isupply who could give all the missing rankings.
--Do it 12:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ARM ?
Why isn't ARM in the list ? Considering that most 32-bit CPUs in the world are ARMs it seems unlikely that they are not in this list.
ARM is not in the list because it does not sell silicon chips but silicon IP (Intellectual Properties) like all its ARM cores extensively used by chip companies like TI, ST or Samsung in their System On Chip.
In fact, ARM gets revenues mainly from royalties & IP licences.
Moreover, ARM is not a billion $ company like the ones of this top 20 (in 2005, ARM revenues were 417 millions $).
--Do it 21:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Suggestion: Market share vs. time
It shouldn't be too hard to take the data from this page and create a line graph over the time that shows the relative movements of the companies. If you bug me about it, maybe I'll do it myself. Cheers! --jcarroll (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
