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[edit] Comments
This article tells us very little about the siege of Nicaea proper. Are there any sources for this siege? Or perhaps the article could be merged with another one? Iblardi 20:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- I have seen before sources which indicate that the Byzantines and the Seljuks fought over this city because a rival Byzantine faction controlled it with Seljuk assistance.Tourskin 23:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crusades?
No this is not a Crusade battle so please don't categorise as such. Crusades happened 20 years after this battle.Tourskin 23:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Factual inaccuracies
I have found no evidence that the 11th century transfer of Nicaea from the Byzantines to the Turks involved a siege. Likewise I found no mention of 1077 for the transfer date. Good secondary sources suggest that the pretender Nicephorus Melissenus handed the city over to Suleyman I as payment for Turkish military assistance. The date of the event was either 1080 or 1081 (A.H. 473), though Nicephorus Botaneiates may have installed a Turkish garrison in the city as early as 1078. It is clear that the transfer, whenever it may have happened, was a peaceful event. Relevant sources follow:
- Charles M. Brand, "Süleyman ibn Kutulmuş" Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium (Oxford University Press, 1991), p. 1976.
- Claude Cahen, Pre-Ottoman Turkey: a general survey of the material and spiritual culture and history c. 1071-1330, trans. J. Jones-Williams (New York: Taplinger, 1968), p. 75.
- Clive F. W. Foss, "Nicaea" Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium (Oxford University Press, 1991), p. 1464.
- J. H. Mordtmann, "Iznīḳ" Encyclopaedia of Islam, ed. P. Bearman (Brill, 2008).
- Speros Vryonis, The Decline of Medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor and the Process of Islamization from the Eleventh through the Fifteenth Century (University of California Press, 1971), p. 106.
This article ought to be deleted as the event it purports to describe never happened. A line summarizing the actual events could be added to the articles İznik and Byzantine-Seljuk wars; such a mention already stands at Suleyman I of Rûm. Are there any objections to my putting the proposed deletion template on the top of the article? Aramgar (talk) 20:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, call it Seljuk capture of Nicaea. Tourskin (talk) 23:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
