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[edit] Expansion to cover other Segoe fonts

Re the March edits to this page. Does the title Segoe UI make sense any more given the addition of information on non UI fonts that use the Segoe trademark? (24.19.11.107 (talk) 15:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC))

"is a series of typefaces designed by Steve Matteson" is incorrect, Segoe Script and Print were developed my Monotype Imaging after Steve left. Segoe Chess and Segoe UI Symbol were developed by Steve while at Ascender. (24.19.11.107 (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Availability

This section contains a link to a site that has posted a copy of the font in voalation of the Windows/Office EULA. According to Wikipedia policy such links should not be posted. "Content that violates any copyright will be deleted."

  • I've removed the link, as it was indeed a violation of WP:C. RunOrDie 14:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] capital 'I' comparison with Segoe

I removed the part about the serifs on Segoe's capital 'I' because there aren't any in the comparison linked to at the bottom of the article. That's all the more mysterious as the same person edited this sentence and added the link to the comparison. To my unaided eye, the visual comparison of all the letters yields no noticable differences. If someone thinks it's POV to have only Linotype's claim and no counterclaim, please back up the counterclaim with a better example than non-existent serifs. Joriki 15:26, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that was stupid by me. I added the comparison link, but didn't actually check the differences mentioned - the sentence about the differences was already there, so I left it there.
Part of the "confusion" might be that Linotype apparently claims Segoe looks like Frutiger _Next_ , not Frutiger. So, does anyone have the Frutiger Next available for comparison with Segoe, or the exact wording of what Linotype claims? 82.83.206.51 15:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Windows XP MCE

Are you sure about this? I installed XP MCE 2005, and there was no Segoe UI. - Sikon 09:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It comes in 2 fonts "Segoe Media Center" and "Segoe Media Center Semibold" look for those Mike Beckham 08:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sample

It doesn't show... - Sikon 07:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Segoe Print and Segoe Script

Microsoft created two more fonts under the Segoe name which will be included in Windows Vista (read about them here.) I want to include these fonts in the article, but I don't know how to create the samples. Can anyone provide some sort of tutorial? ModusOperandi 19:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Use?

So can this font be used in commercial publications or not? The article only states is can be legally downloaded.

Segoe UI's license states in full:
You may use this font as permitted by the EULA for the product in which this font is included to display and print content. You may only (i) embed this font in content as permitted by the embedding restrictions included in this font; and (ii) temporarily download this font to a printer or other output device to help print content.
So, yes, there's no particular reason why you couldn't use the font in a publication, provided you have a valid license to use it in the first place; in particular, as long as the copy you have permits embedding, there's no reason why you couldn't provide a document to a printer with Segoe UI embedded in it.
The question does arise of exactly why you'd want to do so, however. Segoe UI has been optimised for screen display, not print, and (like Arial before it) is likely to be stigmatised as a font perceived as heavily plagiaristic. Why not just use the authentic Frutiger, or Myriad if you prefer Frutiger with curvier letterforms? — Haeleth Talk 14:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weird Pictures

Someone scribbled on the pictures. I don't know how to fix them so could someone help me out?

[edit] NPOV

The section doesn't mention the fact that Segoe UI is in fact more similar to Segoe than Frutiger. I have no time for this right now, so I'll let somebody else take care of it. — Alex(T|C|E) 10:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a problem with Segoe UI being similar to Segoe - the naming does suggest it is a derivative. I think the problem is in fact that the original Segoe (not Microsoft's Segoe UI) is similar to Frutiger? I'm also not convinced this section is NPOV, seems to state both sides of argument in a fairly well balanced manner. Halsteadk 13:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, they specifically mentioned Segoe UI, not Segoe (they as in Linotype). I think the article needs to mention the fact that Segoe UI is more similar to Segoe than Frutiger. — Alex(T|C|E) 00:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
This article is titled Segoe UI, the most high-profile of the Segoe fonts. Any detailed analysis would need to look at the original Segoe fonts that Monotype made, the Segoe fonts Microsoft uses for branding (these were the basis of the patent challenge), and compare these against the original Frutiger airport design, the later digital versions from Linotype, the other humanist sans in the same style (authorized or not) such as FF Transit, Humanist 777, Myriad, Podium Sans etc., and of course Frutiger Next which post-dates the original Segoe but pre-dates the Microsoft work (in particular the italics) however, Frutiger Next post-dates Myriad so you need to look at the influences of Myriad on Frutiger Next (in particular the italics). It's really not surprising that no one has engaged in this level of analysis. 131.107.0.73 17:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
This would be inappropriate for the article as it would be considered "original research". I propose the NPOV template is removed from the section.Halsteadk 08:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SuSE Linux

Somewhat surprised that it's taken this long for someone to note the SuSE distribution of a early version of Segoe. Analysis of the fonts included with SuSE Linux reveals that many fonts were purged from the product in recent releases including Segoe.