Talk:Sedley Alley
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This article was nominated for deletion on July 19, 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
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[edit] Death
I have added his death based on an Associated Press breaking News. I have also added details of his death and a category. More work needs to be done. Capitalistroadster 07:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I was going to edit this page, but I'm certain that all of the anti-death-penalty activists will change whatever I write, so what's the point? I'll wait a year and set the record straight. Anyone who doesn't believe that Alley is the real murderer should read each and every appeal, the prosecution's responses, and the rulings of the judges. The is no doubt that Alley was the real murderer, and now he's paid for his crime. It only took 26 years. Martylunsford 12:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
21 years, you mean (1985 - 2006). 199.214.218.45
OK... So I can't do math. :-) Martylunsford 03:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nice Cleanup
Nice cleanup, Trickboy. Short, and to the point with a neutral point of view. Martylunsford 16:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] User:'Martylunsford', can you email me?
I'm new to the site and am not sure on how all this works, so I apologize in advance if I post something incorrectly.
I have just received an interesting 11-page affidavt on the case. It might be something that you would find an interesting read. It's from a PI who researched the events of that night, along with ongoing events of the case.
She was hired in 2004 (by the defense team) to make sure the 't's were crossed etc. before Sedley Alley was executed. My initial thought was that it was a last minute ditch effort to save him from the Death Penalty. However, what she uncovered and compliled was some interesting information that had been hidden, ignored, and/or supressed by the DA, including timelines, eyewitness evidence and ultimately the ideas and thoughts that another person COULD HAVE actually done the murder.
The biggest thing is how politics seems to play in this case, and how people are (or are not) doing things that give the appearance of a coverup. Very scary and VERY concerning!
Bottom line is that IF Sedley Alley did this heineous crime, he has finally paid the ultimate price for it. HOWEVER, if he didn't...a murderer is still on the loose and Suzanne has no rest.
For acuracy, I have also posted this info on the Suzanne Marie Collins page. --PattiJinCO 19:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)PattiJinCO
[edit] I would...
But I don't know your email. You can email me at my user name at hotmail. Martylunsford 02:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
I've marked this article for proposed deletion - it contains no sources, but discusses someone as a particularly gruesome murderer, which simply isn't acceptable. Our policy states that "any unsourced material may be challenged and removed"; consider this a challenge to find the sources!
(Sorry to be quite so blunt about this... but it really needs something done, and better we have no article than we have an unsourced one) Shimgray | talk | 09:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Give me a break
The sources were deleted. There were numerouse sources on the original article, and on many of the changes to the article, but the anti-death penalty activists have deleted them. I'll add them back in, but this will just be an ongoing battle. I figure you're one of the anti-death penalty activists yourself, Shimgray. (Forgive me if I'm wrong.) I would think you guys would want this article on Wikipedia because you can point to it as a case in which a person was executed without the DNA being tested.Martylunsford 14:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, I'm not an anti-death-penalty activist, or one of "those guys". I've gone through the entirety of Category:Rapists (and a couple of other related cats, which was a demoralising few hours... I'll start on murderers soon) marking the less notable ones for deletion - there's really no reason for us to have an article on a guy who was convicted of some minor sexual assault, got a few years in prison, and will never appear again anywhere bar a sex offenders registry - and in the process picked up a couple of entirely unsourced ones. We need to be rigorous about biographies, we need to make sure that statements - especially ones calling the subject a hideous murderer - have a bare minimum of sources, or else God only knows what we'd be publishing.
- I've glanced at various points in the history and can't see any obvious sources bar an unverifiable textdump of a primary source from the court record, which isn't suitable for our purposes - is it hosted elsewhere? Do we have news stories online we can give, say? I repeat, this article needs sourced; I don't care if it's deleted or not, but I do care that we have an article saying "X raped and killed somebody, er, I say so". Shimgray | talk | 16:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Don't Blank the Page
It's a violation of Wikipedia policy to blank out the page until the deletion issue is decided. I'll add the sources, The web is full of them (just do a google search).
[edit] Four Sources Added
The last source, from the Clark County Prosecutors office gives all of the particulars of the case, along with a history, plus numerous news sources.
