Talk:Secretary (film)

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i believe this article should be re-written to not be a scene by scene explanation of the movie, rather briefly outlining the plot without any spoilers. It is an encyclopedia article. -MYTENCENSE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mytencense (talk • contribs) 12:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Contents 1 "he carries her to his home." 2 Response by the BDSM community 3 Expand 4 German article 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Secretarymovpost.jpg

[edit] "he carries her to his home."

He does not carry her home, he takes her to the apartment about his office.

[edit] Response by the BDSM community

The main article includes the comment, "The movie has received a very positive response from those in the BDSM community for its sympathetic mainstream portrayal of BDSM as practiced by happy, healthy and otherwise average people."

I can't speak for the entire BDSM community, of course -- but, frankly, what I saw was a devious creep with no respect for the law and inadequate control of his own emotions preying on a mentally ill girl. "Doms are abusers and subs are mentally ill" is NOT a stereotype that needs encouraging. (Yes, in the second half of the movie this magically morphed into a sympathetic portrayal, and by the end, the characters were happy and healthy.)

Discussing the movie with friends has revealed that not all of them see such negative stereotyping going on. I won't edit out the "very positive response" comment for now -- but if it's going to stay in I feel it at least needs to be sourced. TaigaBridge 08:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

This comment as well as the one below it piss me off. I'm a sub, and I have bipolar disorder. I've hurt myself. And you know what? I'm happily married, own a home, and love my life. I see my shrink and take my pills and go to work and that's fine. You think a sympathetic portrayal of kinky people has to present their lives as perfect? The characters in this movie heal through each other, even through sex, and are functioning members of society. That speaks to me more than a movie about how "normal" Doms and subs are. I don't know any "normal" people anyway. 207.172.186.128 (talk) 05:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I want to know how someone who was recently released from a psychiatric hospital who continues to self-harm for non-sexual reasons represents a "happy, healthy, and otherwise average" person. As far as I'm aware, this is neither seen as healthy nor is it typical in the BDSM community. I say out with it. -Teep 02:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

This gets into questions of interpretation of course, but might not the point simply be that this character ends up healthy and happy? Zahir13 02:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

If you think that of this film you obviously don't understand it any way, shape, or form. I don't think you're speaking for or of the BDSM community with your assertion, you're speaking as someone with an opinion of a film.

Edward did not know of Lee's mental illness when they first met. He saw her butterfly bandages when she was setting the mouse trap and then later saw her attempting to cut during a scene in the waiting area it was soon after that he called her into his office, gave her hot chocolate and had a frank discussion about her abuses. He told her she wouldn't need to cut anymore and also let her know that she should walk home, releasing her from her mother and giving her a chance to be free and think .. he saw her plight and in using her obvious submissive nature gave her a 'way out' if you will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.251.70 (talk) 07:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expand

Should include:

• Production (a new section that states information from the development of the script to the end of shooting)
• Box office (under Reception)
• Critics (under Reception)

[edit] German article

A translation of the German article for this entry would already be a significant improvement IMO. 212.99.207.127 10:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Secretarymovpost.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)