Talk:Secret combination (Latter Day Saints)
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[edit] dispute and clean up tags
The whole section under my dispute tag is not only strange to me, but not reflective of LDS/Mormonism belief of secret combinations.
It is uncited, and the article needs heavy cleanup. This is really bad. -Visorstuff 16:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Even though this article is really awful, I think most of the information could stay if cites were added. I would remove the CIA cocaine trafficking thing, and everything following that paragraph. The rest of it I think could stay if cited. As a non-Utah Mormon living in Utah, I was surprised by a significant anti-corporation attitude among Utah Mormons, and know people who agree with the articles description of corporations as secret combinations (though personally I think it is mostly ridiculous). If cites could be found for these theories though, I think they legitimately belong in the article. There is certainly no doctrine of the LDS Church supporting these theories; maybe quotes by General Authorities on the subject should be included.
- The weird paragraph was added by user Mxjmorrise on May 4th, and it's the only contrib made to wikipedia by that user. Is that what you would call a sockpuppet? Aranhamo 23:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Another comment, from a Mormon living in Utah .....
"I agree, this article is too much speculation. A shorter document that's less doomsday and more scripture and quotes from modern and ancient Apostles and Prophets would be more appropriate."—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.187.0.164 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- I originally entered the disputed paragraph and apologize for doing so, as it was admittedly my own opinion and not generally accepted (though I believe defensible). I had just learned about Wikipedia and just had to "try it out". Again, I apologize. The paragraph has now been modified to the point where it does not represent my views.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mxjmorrise (talk • contribs) 18:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
fwiw, i find this fairly bland and defensible and supportable with references to the BofM. 2007/01/06.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.203.146.168 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of Benson statement
I removed the following statement from the article:
"In addition, LDS Apostle Ezra Taft Benson has described socialism, evolution, rationalism, and humanism as secret combinations (Conference Report, April 5, 1975)."
I checked the original source, and no where in the speech cited does Benson equate these with secret combinations. All he says about these is: "Our families may be corrupted by worldly trends and teachings unless we know how to use the book [of Mormon] to expose and combat the falsehoods in socialism, organic evolution, rationalism, humanism, etc."
Saying something contains "falsehoods" is a far cry from calling it a secret combination. –SESmith 23:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- I've added some references where Benson does refer to communism (only) as a secret combination. –SESmith 03:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Move
This page is going to have to be moved to make room for a disambiguation page. What would an appropriate name for the new page be? The other page will be Secret Combination (song). It is a song by Kalomoira. Grk1011 (talk) 20:11, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
