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[edit] Citations

I removed the "citations needed". This isn't exactly a scholarly article, so I hardly think citations are really required. Besides which, everything on this page can be easily confirmed on the label website. Perhaps I'm out of line here, if so I hope older and wiser heads will correct me. Matheson 02:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] google test

Hmm, google test is quite surprising. I almost vfd'd it. -- Natalinasmpf 20:28, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Persian and other Arabian music

"Persian and other Arabian music"?? What does that mean? Persians are not Arabs.. Did the writer mean Middle Eastern music or something? Real ignorance..—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.104.30.244 (talk • contribs) 09:09, 1 January 2007

[edit] Wahid Azal

Do NOT remove the name of Wahid Azal from the list of influences on the Secret Chiefs3. If you have a problem with including his name, go talk to Trey Spruance yourself and he'll tell you. And the article removed was a political decision on the part of the wikipedia editors. It will be back up again soon SecretChiefs3 03:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the article was removed because it violated Wikipedia policy regarding notability and biographies of living persons, among other things. It certainly may be recreated with sufficient content and citations at some time in the future. As of right now, however, there is nothing to justify an internal link to an article on a non-notable person. Wyatt Riot 10:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
The article was taken out because it was a purely political decision dictated by Wahid Azal's enemies to the Wikipedia editors, since we all know who butters the bread of the Wikipedia editors here - and not because of any notability issues, which is just a red-tape excuse having nothing to do with reality. In any case your removal of his name from the Secret Chiefs 3 article here also reveals your motives. Why are you even tampering with this article when you are in no position to be doing so? You are always welcome to come over to the Web of Mimicry http://www.webofmimicry.com/ (SC3 boards) to find out for yourself the kind of notability Wahid Azal does have with SC3 and its international fan-base. His name is being put back in the list of influences for SC3. You have offered no valid reason as to why you have removed his name from the list of influences in this specific article, hence putting you in violation of the ToS. If you take it out again you need to give an explanation, otherwise you yourself are in violation of the ToS. If you have a problem with that, or wish to question 'notability', you are always welcome to directly contact Trey Spruance himself (who leads SC3) - and which this article is actually about - as well as the webmasters of both the SC3 website and the Web of Mimicry for verification SecretChiefs3 23:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I have nothing against including a mention of Azal in this article. The issue at hand is that you did not provide sufficient references and proof of his notability to warrant an article on Azal himself (and, since we do not create internal links to articles on non-notable subjects, I removed the link). This was not a "political decision", it was a decision to remove an article based on official Wikipedia policy. You can read them for yourself:
These are basic rules that apply to all articles about living persons. They are intended to protect the integrity of Wikipedia itself, and also to provide a legal backing in case an individual would take offense at criticism about him or her. If Wikipedia were sued for libel, for instance, Jimmy Wales can't tell the court to go talk with Trey Spruance or some webmasters; he has to be able to point to point to previously-published information showing that this site was simply documenting information published elsewhere (which is essentially what Wikipedia is about) and that sources were clearly referenced within the article.
I know that you're new around here, but another Wikipedia policy is to assume good faith on behalf of other editors. We have just as much of a "position" to be editing this article as you, as editors and (as many of us are) fans of SC3. I've also added welcome message on your user talk page with some more links. Wyatt Riot 00:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

This is pure, utter nonsense and the decision was clearly politically motivated. The original article on Azal provided citations to Azal's published works; proof of his notability in the occult community; his notability in being the most prominent and public anti-Bahai critic; citations to influences, etc. All the basic rules above were adhered to, and to the letter, which is more than one can say for many other articles presently on wikipedia which have not been deleted. I am happy to resubmit the original article in full again for your edification in order to prove the clear political motivations involved (and dare one say, personal malice) smokescreening under Wikipedia guidelines. Now this is an article on the Secret Chiefs 3 which included Azal's name in the list of influences. The name was removed by you until I put it back in. You have not offered any explanation as to why you did it here. None. This demonstrates and reinforces the allegation for malice and political motivation involved for deleting the other article-- clearly! It also shows that certain Wikipedia editors are suspiciously monitoring and inordinately interested in any/every article that mentions him by name. Eminently this falls within the orbit of violations of Wikipedia's ToS SecretChiefs3 05:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Wiki conspiracy lawl Zopwx2 06:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Serious business. -Lemike 08:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
It's been suggested to me elsewhere that user SecretChiefs3 might in fact be Wahid Azal. If you want to see the kind of arguments he gets involved in, have a look on usenet group talk.religion.bahai PaulHammond (talk) 22:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Sc3-new.jpg

Image:Sc3-new.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 09:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)