Talk:Second Superpower

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This article was nominated for deletion on 21/3/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

[edit] SS?

Should we use the acronym "SS" to describe this, since it means a death camp for everyone who doesn't have, or can't use, a computer?

How harsh. For the sake of debate, I suppose: Really, what indeed ARE the political opportunities, as it stands even in a democratic society, of one incapable of using a computer? They're quite accessible, these days, far more so than, say, the Senate. (Or if you meant more literally; if "popular opinion" causes that, we're in trouble already). Zake 04:06, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The Wikilink to James Moore is just confusing, as this James Moore is not mentioned on the disambig page. --Oop 14:55, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

Fixed the wikilink so it goes to James F. Moore, but it's not been created yet. -- Randy 20:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The top comment is complete nonsense - how is "world public opinion" related in any way to use of a computer? 10 million people in the streets equals a death camp? Hardly - those 10 million were trying to *stop* the death camp - talk about inversion...

Also, what's with the term "technocratic peace movement"? I think the term Global Justice Movement is much more appropriate. By way of compromise, the James Moore article uses the more neutral phrase "global social movement" which, Orlowski's comments notwithstanding, illustrates the broad intersection between the original NYT story and the Moore piece.

I've changed the lead paragraph to more closely indicate the actual use of the term, in all of the linked articles, as describing a (possible) counterbalance to "war and empire". Also deleted a bunch of unsubstantiated comments about somebody's google search and the "fact" that suddenly everybody decided they liked the war (wtf???)

Removed link to Jonathan Rauch article as this is now behind a subscription-only firewall and cannot be accessed.

Sorry but what is the Second Superpower? A Civil Society (?) - If you follow the link to [Civil society] then that's "the totality of voluntary civic and social organizations..." (catchy). In the next line it's a "world force" (like Team America? :) - the NYT article seems to fave a far better definition than the one in the first line - "World Public Opinion". How about "The second superpower collectively refers to the large number of individuals from different nations who disagree with the actions of the first superpower, the United States Of America". Great article, very interesting. There should definitely be a link to Civil Society - but remember - this might be the first time anyone has ever heard the term --Dilaudid 15:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I agree the current phrasing isn't great, but it's also not right to define it in opposition to the U.S. There's no reason why "world public opinion" or "global civil society" is necessarily composed of people who disagree with the actions of the U.S. Kalkin 17:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Anti-American

Whoever wrote this isn't a patrotic american or not american at all. Superpower refers to United States of America or the defunct USSR, or the futuristic China. World public opinion just is complaining, because they can't a.) afford capitalism b.) afford a B2 Spirit or USS Nitiz sized aircraft carrier or c.) think super power is rubbish because it's a republic version of the word "Empire" as in Roman Empire. There is no such thing as ":American Empire [Except if you include Ghost in the Shell anime] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Renegadeviking (talk • contribs) 06:10, 28 May 2007

You're right, un-American activity everywhere: 1,110,000 hits on Google for "American Empire", and consider these:

• William Oscar Blanchard, The American Empire: A Study of the Outlying Territories of the United States, ISBN 0836923197.
• Chalmers Johnson, Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, ISBN 0805075593.
• Chalmers Johnson, The Sorrows Of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic - The American Empire Project, ISBN 0805077979.
• Neil Smith, American Empire: Roosevelt's Geographer and the Prelude to Globalization, ISBN 0520243382.
• Herbert Irving Schiller, Mass Communications and American Empire, ISBN 0813314402.
• Anne Norton: Leo Strauss and the Politics of American Empire, ISBN 0300109733.
• Alejandro Colás, Richard Saull, The War on Terror and the American Empire After the Cold War, ISBN 0415354250.
• Walden Bello, Dilemmas of Domination: The Unmaking of the American Empire, ISBN 080508021X.
• Amy Greenberg, Manifest Manhood and the Antebellum American Empire, ISBN 0521840961.
• Tony Hall, The American Empire and the Fourth World, ISBN 0773530061.
• Richard Warner van Alstyne, The Rising American Empire, ISBN 0393007502.
• Andrew J. Bacevich, American Empire: The Realities and Consequences of U.S. Diplomacy, ISBN 0674013751.
• Sidney Lens, The Forging of the American Empire: From the Revolution to Vietnam, ISBN 0745321003.
• William Appleman Williams, Roots of the Modern American Empire, ISBN 0394708768.
• Ronald Steel, Imperialists and Other Heroes: a chronicle of the American empire, ISBN 0394462556.
• Gore Vidal, Imperial America: Reflections on the United States of America, ISBN 156025744X.
• Gore Vidal, The Decline and Fall of the American Empire, ISBN 1878825003.
• Ernest N. Paolino, The Foundations of the American Empire: William Henry Seward and United States Foreign Policy, ISBN 0801407966.
• Michael C. Ruppert, Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil, ISBN 0865715408.
• Walter Russell Mead: Mortal Splendor: The American Empire in Transition, ISBN 0395429544.
• Frederick Moore Binder: James Buchanan and the American Empire, ISBN 0945636644.
• Marvin Wolfgang, 'Whither the American Empire: Expansion Or Contraction, ISBN 0803931719.
• Anthony Bouza, The Decline and Fall of the American Empire: Corruption, Decadence, and the American Dream, ISBN 0738208833.
• Lloyd Gardner, Walter LaFeber, Thomas MacCormick, Creation of the American Empire: U.S. Diplomatic History, ISBN 0528663461.
• H. W. Brands, Inside the Cold War: Loy Henderson and the rise of the American empire, 1918-1961, ISBN 019506707X.
• Wesley K. Clark: Winning Modern Wars: Iraq, Terrorism, and the American Empire, ISBN 1586482777.
• Carl Boggs, Masters of War: Militarism and Blowback in the Era of American Empire, ISBN 0415944988.
• Jim Hanson, The Decline of the American Empire, ISBN 0275944808.
• William Blum, Freeing The World To Death: Essays on the American Empire, ISBN 1567513077.
• Mark Lewis Taylor, Religion, Politics, And the Christian Right: Post-9/11 Powers and American Empire, ISBN 0800637763.

Very, very unpatriotic, but mostly from the United States. [shudder] —Babelfisch 08:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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You nuked it with so much hype

You're a joke. You just hyped this past the solar system. We're the 3rd largest country with the 3rd largest population. The first two highest population countries can't support their people as well as we can. We're a superpower & are waiting for China to become on too. This article is bullshit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Renegadeviking (talk • contribs) 10:45, 20 June 2007

Mind your language and sign your posts. —Babelfisch 06:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)