Talk:Second Reality

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Contents 1 Images 2 Hang up? 3 Inappropriate writing style 4 Unreal ][ - the second reality 5 Too many pictures

[edit] Images

Should the images on this page have some sort of copyright information? --plicease 17:56, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yes. All of these images are fair use screenshots from the Second Reality demo and should be tagged as such. —RaD Man (talk) 19:14, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Actually not all of them are fair use. Some of them are PD since they're only images of simple geometric elements. After a bot was running yesterday, I've fixed that. --32X 05:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I've tagged them. But are all these images needed? – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 15:04, Feb 15, 2006 (UTC)

They may seem excessive, but I believe that it really helps to understand the demo -- at least to an outsider. To describe it otherwise would require a lot of vocabulary that is only common amongst programmers and demosceners. And this demo in particular is a great resource in understanding demos and the demoscene. My vote would be to keep them. -/Coplan 22:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hang up?

"After a while this scene fades and several small spheres begin falling down and bouncing on the ground surface in various fashions making patterns. Due to a bug in the code, the demo often hangs up at this part."

I'm certainly not familiar with this, and have been running this demo on various kinds of hardware and within emulators for a number of years. Has anyone else heard of this? I'm tempted to change it to 'occasionally' instead of often as it stands. Can someone back this up? --Overand 21:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

My personal experience: on emulators and computers over 486, the bug appears around 75% of the time, and i have to quit fast to avoid the lockup. running with "second.exe 2" seems to help sometimes. // Gargaj 07:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there a 2nd_fix.exe that took care of this? Or does it occur after using that? --Vossanova 13:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the sprite fountain is where the crash sometimes occurred. I also recall a 2nd_fix.exe but I don't remember for certain if that was to address this particular crash. Pimlottc 16:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate writing style

This isn't written like an encyclopedia article at all. It sounds more like your buddy from next door talking you through the demo. "This part is quite hard to explain..." I'm not even convinced this needs an article separate from Future Crew, as ground-breaking as the demo was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.133.7 (talk • contribs) 07:10, 9 June 2006

I concur that much of that section needs to be cleaned up or rewritten, and it may be a bit too long broken down by part with all the screenshots. But, I think that Second Reality should still have its own article. --Vossanova ^o< 13:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unreal ][ - the second reality

I saw next to nothing about Unreal, not even the alternative name. Please write some lines about that, maybe before the spoiler. --32X 20:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too many pictures

A demo needs not to be analyzed this thorougly. Second Reality is no different from other demos, this kind of effect analysis could be part some demoscene article. 195.148.99.252 09:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

This was addressed to some extent in 2006 (see further up this Talk page). However, my impression is that WP's attitudes towards limitations on fair-use images have tightened significantly since then, and that over using 20 images in this way is a clear breach of current policy. In particular, WP policy requires (not just suggests as a guideline would) minimal use of fair-use images. Simply saying "it helps people to understand the topic better than a single image could" is clearly not good enough, since showing a screenshot from every scene of a TV programme would help people understand that better than just showing one screenshot.

All that being so, I think the article needs to be rewritten so that it is not dependent on so many screenshots. (And, again, saying "but that would require technical terms" is not good enough. Use them, and either explain or wikilink to explanatory articles if necessary.) I do not have the necessary expertise to write an article about this demo, and since simply removing the images without that rewrite would leave a mess I won't do it. However, since the images are almost certainly in breach of policy, someone else may well delete them soon, and so the aforementioned rewrite needs to be done. Loganberry (Talk) 17:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)