Talk:Second Bloody Valentine War

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[edit] End of the Second War?

Removed all posts here... the talk page is not for posting plot speculation, it is for dicussion of maintenence and changes of the format to the related wiki..if you must talk about plot spec. do so here (http://www.seed-forum.com/) or at another fan site FearTheReaper 12:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldnt Operation Angel Down be shorter?

The details of the entire episode are included. Isn't that a little redundant?

Well, this summary actually covers 2 episodes (or so) and several points detailed may have impact in future episodes (GSD is not finished yet), maybe when the series ends we can trim it down. - ylchow 06:08, 24 Jun 2005 (GMT+8)

[edit] No more synopsis, please

I don't know how the majority sees this page. So I will just put my two cents here.

I think this page (and her sister page Bloody Valentine War as well) should be an accurate chronology of the war. It should be narrated from a neutral point of view, something of a historical narration. As such, it should contain:

  • an introduction to the war
  • a chronology of events, main battles, alliances, turning-points
  • the outcome of the war
  • eventual treaties (if any).

For every event there should be the date and the place. For the battles, there should be info about the battle itself, such as deployed units, rules of engagement and the outcome. Obviously, the outcome if the war is not known yet, as the series is still running.


This page, on the other hand, SHOULD NOT contain any of the following:

  • any reference to single episodes; this is a chronology of the war, not a synopsis eps by eps
  • any information about the single characters, where not directly pertinent to the war as a whole; there shouldn't be an entire chapter for Athrun's defection; of course it can be mentioned, but as defections in SEED are quite common, this is not a historical event
  • any character's personal life events; these should go either on the Cosmic Era list of characters page or on the appropriate character's own page; these are not historical events
  • single dogfights between various gundams; these should be mentioned only when relevant to the entire battle (which is often the case), but shouldn't be described in too much of a detail (such as listing every move); if some dogfight is particularly unique, it should be put on the page of the defeated unit, under the fate subsection, not here
  • technical explanations of any kind; there are plenty of pages describing any possible ship, mobile suit unit, weapon and technology.


Please feel free to add your point of view, so we can all put toghether a set of basic rules and compose a nicer page.

Thanks to all. --IgorTrieste 12:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree.--JinFX HuangDi 1698 06:20, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the article needs the sections on "Attempted Assassination of Lacus Clyne", "Athrun's Desertion", "Assassination Attempt in Copernicus City", etc. As some of these events didn't significantly affect the war, aren't really considered historical events, and seem to be nothing more than a summary of an episode. --Silver Edge 08:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
IMO, attempted assasinations are important within the overall context of a war - consider the July 20 plot to kill Hitler. In the case of the first attempt in this setting it did significantly affect events, as it spurred into action the group that would later defeat Durnindal and end the war. The second is also significant in that the loss of Lacus at that point would have deprived Durindal's opposition of leadership and much of its ability to sway his own followers. Athrun's deserting is important from context - he will help the Clyne faction at several points after this and a reader unfamiliar with the settign will be bewildered about his changing sides if it's never mentioned.
I do think this article could use trimming. Perhaps a more bare bones description of events, with links to the appropriate character or episode pages for more detail. Edward321 16:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
You have a point and I agree that this article may need some trimming, especially the three sections I mentioned. --Silver Edge 22:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of ZAFT anti-LOGOS campaign. No protagonist

The Three Ships Alliance opposes the ZAFT campaign against LOGOS. Does the TSA want to protect LOGOS? I feel that all combatants of the war are the villains and there's no protagonist. -- Ed Telerionus 01:08, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

And this relates to the content of the wiki how ? Take it to the fan sites FearTheReaper 12:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Last of the Blue Cosmos?

Are we absolutely sure that Djibril is the last member of Blue Cosmos? It seems hardly possibly that every known member of Blue Cosmos has been killed or relinquished their position in the wake of Logos' destruction. Is this information from the show or just a guess?

And this relates to the content of the wiki how ? Take it to the fan sites --IgorTrieste 14:45, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

It deals with the accuracy of the information presented in the timeline. The writer states that Djibril is the last member of Blue Cosmos. Is this speculation or an actual stated fact in the series? If it hasn't been stated then it should be removed. -- ???

[edit] Events of Final Plus

Should the events related to the revised ending (excluding actions of individual participants) be relayed here as well? While the end result is still the same, the revised ending provides closure to the series.

[edit] Final battle

I'm curious, where did these 72 Dagger L's pop up in the final battle between Lacus and ZAFT? I know a few Alliance MA's joined at the last minute but Dagger L's?

So what, the Dagger could be abouard those alliance ships. Or it could also be that they joind the battle later on but it really doesn't matter.

I do not know about the number, but in Final plus you will indeed see several Daggers along with Murasame. Draconins 06:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Break the World

I was watching that episode, and I noticed that New York was one of the cities destroyed, is this not noted because some one missed it, or because I am mistaken? [1] it is at 1:17 71.206.136.69 02:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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