Second (parliamentary procedure)

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In deliberative bodies a second to a proposed motion is an indication that there is at least one person besides the mover that is interested in seeing the motion come before the meeting. It does not necessarily indicate that the seconder favors the motion.[1]

[edit] Purpose

The purpose of requiring a second is to prevent time being wasted by the assembly's having to dispose of a motion that only one person wants to see introduced. Hearing a second to a motion is guidance to the chair that he should state the question on the motion, thereby placing it before the assembly.[2]

[edit] Procedure

The seconder may state "I second the motion" or "second" without first being recognized by the chair. He may remain seated but in larger assemblies, especially in those where nonmembers may be seated in the hall, the seconder should stand.[3] After hearing a second, the chair then states the question and the motion is placed before the assembly for discussion.

[edit] When no second is made

After a motion is proposed, if the motion requires a second and none is immediately offered, the chair of the body will usually ask, "Is there a second?" If no second is obtained within a few moments of proposing the motion, then the motion is not considered by the assembly, and is treated as though it was never offered (although it is recorded in the minutes). Such a motion may be introduced again at any later time.

If a motion which requires a second does not receive one, but is discussed or voted on anyway, it is too late to object to the motion on the grounds that a second was not offered. This is because the purpose of the second has been fulfilled: the assembly is obviously willing to consider the motion.[4]

A point of order that a motion is not in order for lack of a second can only be made before any discussion or vote has taken place on the motion.[5]

[edit] Second is not necessary

  • in a small board or a committee. [6]
  • for motions made by direction of a board or appointed committee.[2]
  • once debate has begun on a motion.
  • for certain procedural motions.

[edit] Withdrawal of a second

A second may be withdrawn if the motion is amended by the maker of the motion before it has been stated by the chair.[7] Demeter's Manual states, "The seconder can also withdraw his second after the Chair has stated the question and before it is voted on, if the body permits it either by silent consent, or by majority vote if put to a formal vote."[8]

[edit] Parliamentary Authorities that Discourage Seconds

  • Ray Keesey states, "Motions need not be seconded. The requirement of a second is largely a waste of time. What membe is so destitute of friends that he can't find one willing to second his motin? The traditional justification for requiring a second is that at least two members whould support a motion to justify its consideration. ... There is nothing essentially wrong with the practice of seconding. It is simply unnecessary.[9]
  • Tilson's Manual advises against the use of seconds, stating, "It would seem that nothing could be more nearly useless and unnecessary than for some identified voice from the midst of the assembly to boom out, 'I second it'."[10]


[edit] Legislative bodies

Mason's Manual states that "Parliamentary practice in American governmental bodies does not require seconds to motions, and in Parliament itself, where the practice of seconding motions originated, they have not been required for more than a century."[11]

[edit] Notes and references

  1. ^ Robert, Henry M. (2000). Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 10th ed. (RONR)
  2. ^ a b RONR, p. 35
  3. ^ RONR, p. 34
  4. ^ RONR, pp. 35-36
  5. ^ Jennings, C. Alan (2005). Robert's Rules for Dummies, 279. ISBN 0-7645-7574-0. 
  6. ^ RONR, p. 34, footnote
  7. ^ RONR, p. 39
  8. ^ Demeter, George (1969). Demeter's Manual of Parliamentary Law and Procedure, Blue Book, p. 146
  9. ^ Keesey, Ray E. (1974). Modern Parliamentary Procedure, 31. ISBN 0395193974. 
  10. ^ Tilson, John Q. (1948). Tilson's Manual, 95. 
  11. ^ National Conference of State Legislatures (2000). Mason's Manual of Legislative Procedure, p. 121