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Contents 1 re: Too many guitars 2 Looks good! 3 Al-Quds Day ? 4 Popups 5 Thank you 6 2 quick things 7 Autograph 8 Re:Vandal Proof? 9 Random suggestion 10 Re:Hello again 11 Re:Sig 12 Thank you! 13 Thanks again 14 Hinduism karma 15 No problem 16 Signpost updated for October 30th. 17 Esperanza User Page Award 18 Award 19 Thanks! 20 Gandhi 21 Kama & Artha are lower Purusharths is a wrong statement. 22 Will you pl. look at the controversy of 4 pursuits in Hinduism? 23 Thank you for informing me about the IP Vandal 24 Hello 25 My heart beats for you. 26 Nice page 27 Thanks 28 I can understand you very well. 29 Could you please check my recent edits in Hinduism? 30 This is what was commented upon me. 31 Good comment

re: Too many guitars

Heh, you are right! I'm always thinking about what my next guitar is going to be. Although right now, I'm actually considering a ukulele! --Aguerriero (talk) 21:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks good!

Hi, sorry I didn't return your message right away. I got busy with other things. You userpage looks good! --BostonMA ^talk 22:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Al-Quds Day ?

hello, im sorry but why were you wishing me happy Al-Quds Day? i actually never heard of such thing before. - --Cyprus2k1 08:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I noticed that you were interested in the Baha'i faith and I saw on the front page that it was the birth of the Bab. --Seadog^{Talk 12:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)}

yes iam a Bahai , but the "International Day of Quds" has nothing to do with the birth of the Bab, in fact, since this "Day of Quds" thing is celebrated acording to the islamic calendar it will have diferent days each gregorian year (for example, in 2007 it will be on 12 October, not 20 October), the birth of Bab on the other hand is always on 20 October, so the fact this year they were on the same day was nothing more than a Coincidence. Also , from what i read, this International Day of Quds is a Anti-israeli event, but Bahais by principle have no involment in politics and as such are neither Anti-Israeli nor Pro-Israeli.

Greetings - --Cyprus2k1 10:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Popups

Popups will allow you to revert, watch a page, and much more just by hovering your mouse over a link when you put the code in your monobook. Read more about it at WP:POP, or see a (somewhat outdated) image here. I suggest that you try it, and if you don't like it, don't use it. If it takes too long to load the popups sometimes, you can put in simplePopups=true also, so that they will only show up as a list of links. --The Great Llama^{(now on editor review!)} 16:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem! --The Great Llama^{(now on editor review!)} 16:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I used to be an RC patroller, but I'm not so big on vandalfighting now (though I revert it on pages on my watchlist), and when I do, I usually use VP2. --The Great Llama^{(now on editor review!)} 17:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! --The Great Llama^{(now on editor review!)} 17:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the barnstar. I appreciate it. :) --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 23:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You're using popups now? I love those things... I don't know how I would fight vandals effectively without them! (I also use them to avoid going to pages with disturbing images.) --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 23:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I left a comment on your editor review. Though you're not quite ready yet, I'd love to nominate you for adminship in a few months (or at least strongly support you if someone beats me to it)! --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 01:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

2 quick things

Hey Seadog. I just wanted to let you know that I signed the autograph part of your page. Also, I just reverted vandalism to your main userpage. Look in the history, you will see.--Chilifix 01:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Autograph

Just saying I signed your autographs section of your userpage. I've asked Chuck Norris and Santa to sign, too; they should in a few days. --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 01:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw what that person did. Some people are just...ugh. --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 01:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Vandal Proof?

I used Vandal Proof for a few months, and I thought it was an excellent and useful tool for fighting vandalism. However, I stopped using it after I started using Lupin's Anti-Vandal tool, which works in-browser and basically makes the whole process easier. Also, it does not drain your computer's memory as much as VandalProof did (VP is a separate application though). Lupin's Anti-Vandal Tool works in your monobook, and it works much faster than VandalProof did for me. P.S. Thanks for helping get Nishkid69 blocked. I was so happy to see that I actually had a poser on Wikipedia lol. Nishkid64 23:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Random suggestion

Maybe you could just make User talk:Seadog.M.S/Userpage a redirect to your talk page, instead of a soft redirect. Just a random idea (I'm kind of bored). --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 00:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what exactly do you mean by saying that you "copied everything"? --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 00:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean you can't get redirects to work? See Help:Redirect, or just type #REDIRECT [[Whatever page]]. --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 00:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

As I like saying a heck of a lot of times: No problem! --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 00:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Hello again

Looking good :) You might want to try making your talk page colour scheeme fit in more with that you've used on your main userpage/subpages. If you want to give the UPA a go, go for it! You've got nothing to loose :) Petros471 15:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Sig

Since it's less than 200 characters and doesn't have an image, I believe it's allowed. --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 17:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thank you so much for the barnstar! This morning reminded me of Christmas when I woke up and suprisingly discovered a wonderful gift awaiting me. It's so nice to find worthy editors who appreciate the contributions of others and in return I'd like to award you with this barnstar to note your kind and gracious behaviour. Best of luck in the future and Thanks again! Patman2648 19:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Patman!!!!!!!!--Seadog.e 20:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again

Thanks again for providing your comments on the Hinduism page. I will certainly let you know if there are any questions that come up. I noticed your discussion about conversion to Hinduism. I think that the "conversion" section of the Hinduism article gives a pretty good idea of the different views on this matter. In my personal view, a person is whatever religion they think they are. So if you think you are a Hindu, you are a Hindu; If you think you are a Muslim, you are a Muslim, etc. You don't need the permission of any particular person. There is no Pope in Hinduism to decide who is in and who is out.

Also, regarding caste, it depends on whether you think it is a part of the religion, or whether you see caste as just a social institution. If you see it as just a social institution, then it should not be necessary to adopt any particular caste. But there are definately some westerners who have adopted Indian-style castes for themselves. In the final analysis, you are the only one who gets to decide what you want to be.

One thing you might want to look into depending on where you live: maybe there is an ashram or temple you would like to go to. I can make one recommendation: There are a number of Hindu temples / ashrams in both India and America associated with the Ramakrishna Mission. Sometimes they are called Vedanta Societies. In America, they typically have a good mix of both Indian Hindus and Americans. Some of the Americans consider themselves Hindus, while others consider themselves Christians, Jews, etc. Everybody is accepted, and complete freedom of opinion is allowed. There are probably other similar orgainzations in the US (I'm not sure if the group Shaiva Suj belongs to has groups in the US or not) but this is the one I'm most familiar with. Here is a link listing the major centers, and there are many smaller groups in other cities. [[1]]. ALso in America the Hare Krishnas (also known as ISKCON) are widespread. However, my sense is that ISKCON may not fit your personal preferences, since they tend to emphasize that their path is the only true path. I have noticed that you mentioned several times that you prefer a more open approach (which I also prefer). Where do you live? HeBhagawan 15:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello my friend, Well, I don't have information about every Hindu group/denomination out there, so I will just tell you what I know about. It sounds to me like you could fit into any Hindu group that is open-minded, which is probably a majority of the groups that exist. If you go somewhere, ask the people in charge whether they believe that their path is the only true path, or whether they believe that all paths can lead to the same goal.

If you live in a city that has several different Hindu groups you could just try going to several different temples or ashrams and see which ones you like. Probably even a better option is to read some books associated with an organization, and if you like what you read in the books, you can associate with the organization that wrote/published those books.

I like the Ramakrishna Mission / Vedanta Society. As with you, reading the Gita was a life changing experience for me. There are two other books that changed my life as well: Vedanta, Voice of Freedom by Swami Vivekananda, and The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. I can't recommend these books highly enough. Both of them advocate an inclusive and very spiritual approach to Hinduism. Many people have been influenced by these books regardless of whether they are associated with the Ramakrishna Mission. Because the Ramakrishna Mission is very inclusive and open-minded, its general position on vegetarianism is that it is preferable to be vegetarian, but each person has to make that decision for themselves. Therefore, nobody will be excommunicated or anything if they eat meat. Sri Ramakrishna, though a vegetarian himself, said that a person is blessed if he has love for God, even though he may eat pork. Conversely, he said that a person will not gain much by being vegetarian if his mind is attached to worldly things. So you will find both vegetarians and non-vegetarians in that organization.

Another option is that you don't have to belong to any particular denomination at all. Many, many Hindus do not claim to belong to any particular sect. If you are attracted to Sri Rama, you may be a Vaishnava--or you may be simply a Ram bhakta (devotee of Rama) without particularly identifying with Vaishnavism. Be aware that there are many different denominations within Vaishnavism, and some of them are more open-minded and inclusive than others. In the Vedanta Society / Ramakrishna Mission you will find Vaishnavas, Shaivas, Shaktas, and even some Christians and Jews, as well as people who do not identify with any particular sect.

One suggestion: Don't go to any organization or guru that charges money. True religion is not something that can be bought and sold. If a religious organization is truely good, the members will give money voluntarily.

I hope this is helpful! Hinduism is a wonderful religion, because no matter what your personal taste and temperment might be, you can surely find a path within Hinduism that is right for you. Not everybody has to conform to the same beliefs or practices. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.--HeBhagawan

Hinduism karma

Hey there, I would like your input on the discussion at the bottom of the Hinduism discussion page. Thanks! HeBhagawan 20:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem

No problem for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. I've reported the user to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets (here). --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 00:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Thanks for the award. Sharkface217 23:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Gandhi

Gandhi is revered as a saintly political/national leader, but not necessarily a saint. So he is seen as being somewhere in between a saint and a politician, I guess. I think this is the conventional view anyway, but some may consider him a saint. In theory, though, I suppose he could be a saint--after all, Sri Rama was a political figure too, and he is considered not only a saint but also an incarnation of God.

I agree with everything you said about Adi Shankara and the Upanishads. They both present wonderful teachings. HeBhagawan 01:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

There is certainly nothing wrong with following Gandhi's teachings. He was a great Hindu, whether one labels him as a saint or philosopher or anything else. I also agree with many of his political views.HeBhagawan 13:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Kama & Artha are lower Purusharths is a wrong statement.

One could say for deploring Kama & Artha as lower Purusharths. It could have been said, just to make people move to Dharma & Moksha. Lot of Sanyasees try to deplore Kama & Artha, particularly Jain Sadhus try to create hate in the minds of people living family life.

Does one not need money to do one's religious duties or support Sanyasees or Brahmins or religious institutions? Krishna has said in Srimad Bhagawad Geeta that "Kama" is my "Vibhuti." In Hindu doctrines "Kama" is supported confining sexual pleasure with one's wedded spouse in the witness of fire (A form of God), Brahmin and society. Is it possible to conquer "Kama" by any average person? Vishwamitra also sliped. When Krishna declared "Kama" as Krishna's "Vibhuti" who are we to deplore "Kama"? Indian has n' number of Sanyasees. With due respect to Swami Bhaskaranandji, I say that anything said in a particular situation or a context should not be incorporated in an article like Wikipedia which shall remain on a public forum for a long long future. Hope everyone will see the damage being done to Hindusim and restrain from continuing with statements deploring 4 pursuits of life. Swadhyayee 14:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hinduism"

Will you pl. look at the controversy of 4 pursuits in Hinduism?

I wish you look into it.Swadhyayee 16:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me about the IP Vandal

• Great effort for putting that vandalizer on the AIV page, I'm taking a break for now but thanks for informing me about that! And as to your question, yes I am a poet in real life :).¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 19:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Greetings. It appears that we have not recently established communication, and to retain our optimally positive status as acquaintance encyclopedists, it is preferable to retain communication in addition.

(Sorry, I get carried away when I feel like using complex vocabulary.)

Has anything interesting on Wikipedia happened to you recently? It seems that I have gained enough experience that people seem to have started mistaking me for an admin. --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 23:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I like your signature. My own hasn't been changed in awhile, apart from adding the green e. I should work on it. --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 00:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

My heart beats for you.

When I was younger I was in a public library looking for a good book, I had no idea that a day later my life had changed. Yes I found the Gita I was astonished of it's mastery and it's power, I read it in one day and I carried it with me everyware.

My heart beats for you. One thing common, I love Geeta more than anything in my life. If you liked Srimad Bhagawad Geeta and live as veg., you must be Hindu in last birth. To be very honest, I think Geeta says that one must practice one's own birth-religion as it is a match of breast feed. You may be able to find similarity in your religion and doctrines of Geeta. I think, Geeta is complete philosophy. No matter, you consider yourself to be Hindu or by your birth religion if the same is different but you can certainly live by doctrines of Geeta. I don't think, Hinduism will insist for conversion. You can visit temple, do your prayers, carry on idol worship, read Hindu scriptures along with other religions' scriptures, you would be warmly received by any Hindu anywhere. I feel of saluting you for your love of Geeta not because it is Hindu Scripture but it's doctrines are un-disputed for being religion of humans. Your love for music make me see a pure heart beneath you. My love and best wishes to you. Swadhyayee 14:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice page

Hi Seadog, I like your new userpage; it must have taken a lot of time to create it. Your signiture is better (imho) too. I think I'll add a few new things to my userpage too. By the way, take a look at my new subpage, it might be worth it. ;-) | AndonicO Talk 21:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

If all vandalizations had encyclopedic value like that pi I found, I don't think people would complain as much. The black border was "inspired" by Tariqabjotu's page, which I saw a long, long time ago (before I had a userpage, about three months). And no, I did not take the footpath picture (I wish, even though it's getting "opposes" at Featured picture candidates). You really deserved the barnstar; if there was one for signitures, you would have earned it as well. | AndonicO Talk 21:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the nice compliment about my pictures. I'll probably be uploading some better ones here soon (the current pictures aren't really my personal favorites, just the encyclopedic ones). --Tewy 02:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I can understand you very well.

Dear Seadog,

I can understand you very well and I totally agree with you. If, I have a right to make a suggestion, I would suggest you consider to change your nickname to Arjun or Arjuna (if Seadog is your nickname). By the way, whose commentary upon Geeta came in your hand? Are you reading Geeta now? With Love,

Swadhyayee 02:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you please check my recent edits in Hinduism?

May I request you to give your opinion about my recent edits to Hinduism is better or not?Swadhyayee 03:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

This is what was commented upon me.

Dear Seadog.M.S.,

Thanks for your comments on FAC talk pg. Below are the comments and propaganda made by HeBhagawan against me. His first comment is upon my first edit on Hinduism. My feeling is he comments seeing the user page. I am not a tech. savvy to make my user page impressive. Everyone is new on some or other day. I don't think my English deserves such uncalled for comments. My study in and talk on Hinduism has been in my mother tongue. I might have read some articles or books in English too. I am drafting legal papers and have never come across situation when otherside don't understand my writing. I am from India and my English could be different from Americans or Australians. One has to be civil to all. Swadhyayee 04:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, thank you for your contributions, Swadhyayee. It is great that you want to work on the page. With due respect, however, there are a few problems with your edits:

Lack of citations Poor English Poor organization POV imposition (e.g., implying that the Bhagavad Gita is the only "authentic" Hindu scripture). Please don't feel insulted. I recommend that when you make new additions, you should use citations, have a native-level English-speaker check the grammar, and think about how your additions can compliment the overall organization of the article. If you do not have time to do this, another way is to just put your ideas on the discussion page for others to incorporate into the article. What do others think?HeBhagawan 19:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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Swadhyayee, I have a suggestion: Why don't you help to edit other issues in the Hinduism Project? Let us leave the Raja Yoga issue. I was willing to accomodate you by putting a disclaimer, but it seems that other editors do not want to do even that. I felt compelled to report you to the admins because of your unfounded reversions, but I will gladly withdraw my report if you can put your efforts toward improving the article. There are so many things that need to be improved. Consider working on the Bhagavad Gita section, since you have great interest in that, and I think you will be able to find citations. I will try to find citations for the things you mentioned on the talk page. For a few of those things, a single citation is meant to cover multiple sentences. Thanks! HeBhagawan 03:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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Regarding the "Karma and Reincarnation" section, you have modified the language of other users in this section in a way that has introduced grammatical errors that did not exist before. I hate to say this, becasue I appreciate your earnestness, but I have to agree with the user who pointed out that your edits sometimes reduce the quality of article rather than enhance it. I am sorry if you feel offended by this, but becasue of your level of English, I recommend that you seek the review of native-level English speakers before posting your edits. I do not say this to insult you. If you are honest with yourself I think you will understand what I am saying. I have no desire to exclude you from editing, but I do have a desire to protect the quality of the article. I am sorry if you feel hurt by anything I said. HeBhagawan 03:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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Yes, I know. It is ridiculous that one single user is bringing the progress of the article to a halt. It was improving daily until he arrived on the scene. It is very frustrating. HeBhagawan 03:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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The edits you made today contained some constructive ideas, but once again they caused a lot of damage to the article. You inserted a lot of extremely low-quality material and deleted high-quality material at the same time. Please do not do this

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To other editors: Please help to monitor the changes made by Swadhyayee until the mediators decide whether to block him from this page. In my view, almost all his edits have failed to meet Wikipedia quality standards. With some exceptions, the substantive content of his edits is appropriate, but the way he implements his edits (without citations, disorganized, ungrammatical and muddled language) is a problem. Use your own judgement. Thank you! HeBhagawan 13:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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Swadhyayee: I understand your approach. Although it would be fine if you were the only one editing the article, it creates extra work for others to have to follow behind you cleaning up the low-quality edits. Please consider this alternative: Make your rough-draft edits on a separate document, or on the discussion page. Then, AFTER you have brought the draft up to wikipedia quality standards, incorporate them into the article. This approach should work better for everybody.

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Just a heads up: please help to keep an eye on Swadhyayee's edits. He has started to become active again after being away for a while. In the past I have spent a lot of time trying to dissuade him from making edits that clearly reduced the quality of the article becasue his edits were POV, factually dubious, uncited, and stylistically bad. I did not find him as easy to work with as Raj. He is very enthusiastic, and tends to make large-scale edits, but does not always have the same ideas about quality that some editors have.HeBhagawan 12:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Swadhyayee 14:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Swadhyayee, Thank you for kindly retrieving those past statements. I regret if any of them seem like personal attacks; that is not my intention. Please do not mistake good faith criticism for personal attacks. A review of the history of the context in which I made the above comments will reveal that they were made in response to your repeated violations of Wikipedia policies. It is not a personal attack to respond to such violations in a civil manner. Also, some of the comments you pasted above were made to other users on their personal discussion pages, not to you or to the community as a whole. It is not against wikipedia policies to express opposition to a user's habit of repeatedly deleting cited material and replacing it with uncited, ungrammatical, POV material, which you did on many occasions.

Moreover, if you read carefully the things I said, you will notice that I actually went to rather great lengths to state my criticisms in a way to avoid personal attacks. If, despite this, you still take my comments personally, there is not much I can do about it.

Good comment

Hi Seadog, I liked your comment that "this is about the Hinduism article, not about the editors." That is an important thing for all of us to remember. HeBhagawan 17:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, I have been rather under attack. But I am thankful for the support of the people in the wikipedia community who notice that it is happening and who speak up to encourage civility, cooperation, and quality. HeBhagawan 18:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the award! HeBhagawan 18:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)