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1 VLS Variant
2 Text of Sea Wolf missile by User:Hammersfan 1, needs merging into main article:
3 Falklands Kills
4 seawolf missle

[edit] VLS Variant

The Type 23 frigate article seems to have some useful background information that may explain the motivation for introducing the previously abandoned concept of vertical launch. It appears that deployment of a missile system on the Type 23 was an after-thought, motivated by the Falklands losses to Exocets. Perhaps the VLS system could be more easily assimilated into the existing Type 23 frigate design?

I have vague recollections of discussions during the Falklands related to a "containterised" missile system for deployment on commercial ships being used for transport of supplies in war zones. The VLS missile silos are sort of containerised.

With regard to the increased range of VL Seawolf, it is presumably due to the additional boost motor used for vertical launch.

[edit] Text of Sea Wolf missile by User:Hammersfan 1, needs merging into main article:

"Sea Wolf is an advanced point defence missile in service aboard general purpose frigates of the Royal Navy. The weapon is 1.9m long and weighs 82kg, including a 13.4kg warhead. In the Royal Navy, it is used in two versions; on the Type 22 frigate, it is carried in two 6-cell launchers that are set at about 20 degrees above horizontal, giving a range of approximately 6.5km; on the Type 23 frigate, it is carried in a 32-cell vertical launch system, which increases the missile's range to approximately 10km. The weapon is used to defend against both aircraft and anti-ship missiles. To this end, the entire system (tracking radars, fire control computers, missiles) are all completely automated."

David Newton 15:31, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Falklands Kills

"Modern Combat Ships 4: Type 22" Leo Marriot, 1986 - Brilliant 2 confirmed, 1 possible. Broadsword 4 claims
"Royal Navy Frigates 1945-1983" Leo Marriot, 1983 - Brilliant 2 confirmed, 1 possible. Broadsword 3 claims
"BATTLE ATLAS of the FALKLANDS WAR 1982, by Land, Sea, Air" Gordon Smith, 2006 (on http://www.naval-history.net/F64argaircraftlost.htm]) - Brilliant 2 confirmed, 1 possible. Broadsword 2 claims;
- Wednesday 12th May - Two A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5 shot down off Stanley by Sea Wolf fired by HMS Brilliant and third aircraft hit sea trying to evade missile (1.45 pm). All three pilots, Lt Bustos, Lt Ibarlucea and Lt Nivoli killed.
- Friday 21st May - Dagger A of FAA Grupo 6 shot down near Fanning Head by Sea Cat fired by HMS Argonaut or Plymouth, or more likely Sea Wolf from HMS Broadsword (10.30 am). Lt Bean killed.
- Sunday 23rd May - A-4B Skyhawk of FAA Grupo 5 shot down over San Carlos Water by unknown SAM (1.50 pm). Claims that day include "Broadsword" Sea Wolf, "Antelope" Sea Cat, and land-based Rapiers and Blowpipe. Lt Guadagnini killed.

These sources all indicate 2 confirmed kills, and at least 3 further possibles. I have therefore changed the text in the article to indicate this. Emoscopes ^Talk 13:35, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] seawolf missle

ive always had the opinion that the seawolf was a good short range defence missle and most sources say that it is good at its job. however i have recently bought a book called "Lions,donkeys and dinosaurs" by lewis page which says that sea wolf isnt that good and thats why were the only country that uses it. like i said every other information ive read about it says its a good missle thats effective at its job. in the book as well he critises both army and raf expediture even though he was a royal navy officer who served on the minesweepers so does he really have the expertise to critise these things that he wasnt invovled in also he left the RN and never served on frigates and destroyers which he also sees as a waste of money.Corustar 15:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

If he thinks frigates and destroyers are a waste of money why does he care about a whether a short range missile which is used from frigates and destroyers is any good or not? Sounds like a real genius. BTW according to the article there are at least two foreign users, I don't have any info as to whether that is correct or not. Riddley 11:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

its an interesting read but it is biased. he was a minesweeper and when it comes to talking about the navy he doesnt mention these in his views or the patrol boats. also theres no mention of LCS or other small ship escourts. hes got some interesting views on both how many brass there are in the forces "enough colonels to make a battalion" and BAE. hes also talks about getting rid of the RAF and having it as a part of both the army and the navy without the seperate service which is interesting but would never happen.Corustar 18:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)