Talk:Scrooge McDuck universe

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[edit] Theoretical Disney Universe

The Disney Kingdom consists of all Disney themeparks, actually, the one you happen to be visiting at the present time (Mickey can't be two places at once, for example). The Disney Kingdom acts as a conduit between the Disney World (or Disney World Prime) and Earth, although the Disney World Prime is a parallel universe based on Earth.

The Disney World consists of the main Disney characters featured in various television series, but excludes characters who exist from movies such as Aladdin and Little Mermaid. Characters and associated characters include Donald, Goody, Mickey, and Pluto, though each have their own associates and locales, just as Spiderman tends to stick with Spiderman characters while the X-men stick with X-men characters.

Movie universes are seperate, each its own world based off of Earth; it includes any sequels or TV series based on the movie, sadly. In order for a movie character to appear alongside a Disney World, it must hop dimensions to either Earth or the Disney World, making a crossover appearance such as Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Kingdom Hearts, which are conduits where two or more universes can connect.

Toon Town is such a conduit, and parts of it exist on Disney World Prime and on Earth in several themeparks, allowing interdimensional travel. It also allows travel from the WB universe, Woody Woodpecker, and possibly the Bonkers Earth and Bonkers toon world. It may include Toontown Online, also.

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I don't see the purpose for the character removals, as most aren't on the List of characters page. The related series and DT movie were added before as they are related to DT, but not related to the comics directly.

Are you suggesting that these characters don't like in the same 'universe' as Mickey Mouse, et al? I really think that universe isn't the right word here. By definition, a universe includes EVERYTHING. Any subset of a universe is not a universe. Maybe this is picky, but I think it is confusing to use the word in this way. ike9898 02:32, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I heard that Mickey and Goofy were supposed to live in a town other than Duckburg, Mousetown or something...
Maybe its confusing if we were talking about cosmology, but when it comes to the concept of 'fictional universes' - especially in the realms of a children's cartoon - the rules are a little fuzzy. the duckiverse presented by the introduction of Donald Duck's extended family goes far beyond a lot of the original features of the traditional disney cartoons. 02:39, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Truly brain-softening! --Wetman 21:37, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps a better title for this page would be List of characters in Scrooge McDuck storylines. It doesn't offer much beyond that. --Dhartung | Talk 18:04, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
See One small problem below. You're on the right track. Andrewa 11:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

What would this mean? "Many characters in their stories have never appeared in Donald Duck stories." Afaik, there are very few Barks or Rosa comics where Donald doesn't even have at least a small part... 81.232.72.148 23:58, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] IMF???

According to the template the International Monetary Fund is an enemy of scrooge macduck. I don't know what to make of this. Is it a different IMF, the real actual IMF, or is this a joke? Jackliddle 00:27, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It is the "Real IMF". In at least one Barks and two Don Rosa Mr. Molay and Matressface, both IMF agents appear. Perhaps it's better to change IMP to Mr. Molay and Matressface, for otherwise people might think it's a joke --Mixcoatl 16:54, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Monsieur Matressface, as described in the Carl Barks story in which Scrooge seeks and finds the Philosopher's Stone which can turn base metals into gold, is a representative of the International Money Council, not the IMF. See Maurice Matressface. Andrewa 10:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] One small problem

There's a problem with the whole concept of the Scrooge McDuck Universe, in that it's not part of the original concept of the most important of the stories at all.

The creator of Scrooge McDuck and the most acclaimed writer and artist of Scrooge McDuck stories, Carl Barks, seems to have made no attempt to be consistent in his descriptions of Scrooge's background. This is not unusual in fantasy and humour. There's a spectrum, from series in which consistency is very much sought after, such as the Star Wars series or Yes Minister, to ones in which there's little consistency at all, such as the Goons. Scrooge McDuck and the Monkees are both somewhere in the middle. There's consitency in basic things such as the major characters and their appearance, but not necessarily in implied details such as where they went to school, what their early careers were, what their grandfathers did for a living. When such details come up in some of the plots, if they are consistent with other plots that's fine, and if not, that's fine too.

This position in the spectrum is an important aspect of understanding Barks' work. The attempt to create a consistent universe starts with Don Rosa, and is not Barksian. Such attempts at retrospective consitency are not unusual, for example Isaac Asimov's retcons to his Robot stories to make them consistent prequels to his Foundation series.

But IMO it's important to understand that this consistent Scrooge McDuck Universe is not part of the original context of the Carl Barks stories. The whole concept came later, and there's no evidence it was ever adopted or endorsed by Barks, much as Rosa admired Barks and dedicated much of his work to him. Food for thought? Andrewa 12:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC))

I think that what you wrote above could and should be adapted into the article. I would be best if you could find a secondary source that discusses this. ike9898 18:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where does the term come from?

I don't remember meeting the term "Scrooge McDuck universe" applied to all Duck comics anywhere else. Where does it come from, or has it been artificially created here in Wiki? Sure, in this article there's mention about "Scrooge McDuck universe" being a subset of "Donald Duck universe" - however, Donald Duck universe redirects back here. Ain't that a bit complicated? As far as we have any continuity in Duck stories, they happen in the same "universe", though of course they tell different tales according to the main character - Donald does different things than Scrooge, of course, as they are different characters with different charasteristics. But we don't have "Bilbo Baggins universe" aside from "Frodo Baggins universe" even though The Hobbit has very different tone than The Lord of the Rings, let alone The Silmarillion! So I would certainly vote for "Duck universe" as a unifying term to include all Disney Ducks. Certainly that would include much differences from early Donald cartoons to DuckTales or Quack Pack, but subcategories could be made if necessary. "Scrooge McDuck universe" anyway appears as quite a strange term to me. Even if Scrooge has surpassed Donald in popularity, Donald still remains the main name character of the comics? --Haltiamieli 13:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure that there has been some writing on this in a source such as The Comics Journal or Nemo. If a suitable term for this topic can be found there, that's probably the best choice; we aren't in the business of creating original names for topics here. ike9898 18:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DuckTales vs. the comics

I suggest splitting this into two pages or sections, one dealing primarily with DuckTales and the other one dealing with the comic books. The portrayals of characters and events in each are different enough to warrant separate treatment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.229.97.179 (talk) 00:47, August 30, 2007 (UTC)