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To-do list for Scrooge McDuck: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • lots more references w/ inline citations needed
  • images need fair use rationales and sources.
  • has the creator commented on what he thinks of this character and where the character has gone since creation?
  • how are the rights of the character handled. Is disney the sole owner of the character and all films and movies of their production? if not, how is giving the rights handled? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT?
  • A Carl Barks picture is "fair use"? The image isn't dated, no provenance or context is given for it, thus none of the article's commentary on Scrooge's changing appearance and personality relates to it. Moreover, the article is appropriately encyclopedic, which means it does not exactly discuss Bark's work "critically".
  • The "External links" used as references need to be called out into their own section,
  • the lead is a bit short.
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[edit] Accent

Where should we add that he speaks with a Scottish accent?--Sonjaaa 21:57, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

At least according to the DuckTales series... 81.232.72.148 23:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually the Scottish accent is mentioned in the comic books as well. In the "The Swamp of No Return" by Carl Barks, first published in May, 1965, Scrooge is brain-washed into a new identity. He considers himself to be Spanish. Donald Duck still recognizes his Scottish accent. User:Dimadick

True, I remember that, now... 81.232.72.148 23:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What?

4.19.78.126 removed all these Spirit of 43 comments? Someone thought Scrooge was that Scotsman there. Can we get a confirmation of what?

[edit] scrooge's languages

Where we could list languages Scrooge can speak? Arabic, Spanish, Dutch, German, Catalan and Finnish, for example.

According to Barks and Rosa stories, or what? Don't forget Chinese (Old Cathay?) in Barks' Tralla La story. 惑乱 分からん 12:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember Scrooge being fluent in Finnish. In the Don Rosa story where the Ducks were in Finland, it was never said the ducks spoke Finnish. At least in the Finnish version of the story. Most Finnish people speak English, at least in some level. --Lalli 14:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

According to "The quest for Kalevala" Scrooge can understand Finnish.

What is the relevance of this? there are many things to say on Scrooge, and it's a minor spects of his personailty that Scrooge speaks various languages. Barks' work which is regarded canonical needed it for obvious reasons. But Scrooge appears in more than 40,000 stories. Many of these stories are very hard to find in their original language. So I think it's a task too big for wikipedians at least currently.

Not to mention he actually travels all around the world with Donald Duck, Hewey, Louey and Dewie in the comics, so he could speak many languages. TheBlazikenMaster 12:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added link to the list of Scrooge's name in other countries

Along with many of the characters of Duckburg, Scrooge has enjoyed popularity in many countries, particularly in Europe. To find Scrooge's name in other countries, please see the list of Disney characters' names in various languages.

After making a list of Scrooge's names in other countries as a part of the great big list I figured there should be a link to this from the scrooge article. I was in a little doubt to where to place the couple of lines associated with this link, but in the end I placed them in the introduction. Feel absolutely free to move those lines to a more fitting place if found. Also I'm aware that To find Scrooge's name in other countries, please see the list of Disney characters' names in various languages sounds rather clumsy, just couln't come up with anything better. (WoiKiCK 00:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC))



Where ist the list? 29.9.2007

[edit] Whatever happened to

Who removed the timeline, and why? 96T 18:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It happended here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scrooge_McDuck&diff=55352321&oldid=55214296

I moved it to the Scrooge McDuck Universe because it was crufty. It has its own article, there is a link to the timeline on this page. -- Wikipedical 00:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

Well someone was silly and forgot to even add the template to the talk page. Anyways, none of the images contain fair use rational. That needs to be fixed before it gets renominated.--SeizureDog 05:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedical

The user wikipedical removed so much info without proper explanation. I propose to reverse his edits.201.1.155.29 17:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry that I did not provide explanation. I am trying to move the Scrooge Timeline and the information on historical figures into Scrooge McDuck Universe. In the main one here, these sections aren't well written or sourced and can subtract to the value of the article. -- Wikipedical 22:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French Name

For me the traduction in english of the french Name "Picsou" of Scrooge Mcduck is not "Uncle Steal-a-coin" but "Uncle Peak-coin". Because "Pic" is a moutain and "Piquer" is "to steal".--Locusfr 07:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Net Worth + Cubic Acre

Ijuin assumes that a "Cubic Acre" is a cube with every side an Acre in size. A literal interpretation would be that every edge of the cube would be an acre in size, this would make it a six-dimensional object, which would be very hard to visualize. It would be interesting to include a rough calculation on how much a cubic acre would be. [1] 惑乱 分からん 12:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not think his statements or databasing this information is encyclopedic. Much of it is analysis-cruft and original thought. See WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. -- Wikipedical 00:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I keep the info in here, in case anyone would like a look at it, the link I included How much is 3 cubic acres? has a more thorough discussion. 惑乱 分からん 10:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I chose the "one cubic acre equals a cube whose edge is the width of an acre plot" (four rods) interpretation because it appears to be the most consistent with the depiction in the comics of the main vault of the Money Bin being approximately cubical and filled to an average depth of ninety-nine feet. If anyone has a more accurate measurement for the length and breadth of the vault, then please correct me.
Ijuin 06:30, 29 July 2006 UTC
Let us look for a moment at what three cubic acres of cash might actually entail. An acre is a unit 
of land area four rods wide and forty rods (one furlong) long, 
yielding a total area of 160 square rods, or 4,840 square yards. 
However, when speaking of cubic measures, 
only the width of a standard acre plot (four rods = sixty-six feet) is used as a reference length. 
Thus, a cubic acre is approximately a cube measuring sixty-six feet on a side.   
   
The main vault of Scrooge's Money Bin is depicted as being roughly cubical, and it has been  
repeatedly pointed out in the comics that the Bin is filled to a depth of ninety-nine feet, 
as shown on the Depth Gauge often shown in-panel. Using the above definition for the size 
of a cubic acre and the depth of ninety-nine feet, the money in the Bin would cover a square
floor measuring between ninety-three and ninety-four feet on a side, which is consistent with 
the size shown in the comics, and supports the above choice of value for the size of a cubic 
acre. Thus, Scrooge's three cubic acres of cash would fit neatly within a 
hundred-foot cubical space.   
  
To compute roughly how much cash three cubic acres would contain, let us assume for simplicity 
that it consists entirely of "silver" coins (US quarters, dimes, half-dollars, and dollars). 
A quarter is just under an inch in width, and fifteen of them make 
a stack one inch tall. Thus, we can estimate that $3.75 makes up one cubic inch. 
This gives us a value of approximately 5.6 billion dollars contained in the money bin, 
although the occasional bundles of Dollar bills would likely yield a higher sum.


[edit] Biographical dates edit

I do NOT wish to argue,but at a character page,the given year of birth and curent age is normaly given and it is not present at this page at all,,it's not "original research",for it is on wikip,just not here. New Babylon


[edit] Per 'Scrooge's wealth and personality'; 'Morality and beliefs'

I believe the final paragraph, containing - "Barks most outright defense of capitalism and the indictment of any political system that 'tries to make everybody exactly alike' - begins to put to the question an objective, unbiased authorial perspective. Continuing, "which is the Marxist philosophy of equality in all things. Accordingly, Scrooge McDuck is both morally righteous..."; here, our collective authorship has, I believe, passed judgment upon Scrooge McDuck and his creator Barks, who two paragraphs above has been quoted: "The thing I have against the present political system is that it tries to make everybody exactly alike". Here Barks is indicting Late Capitalism, yet our authorship, with the declaratory judgment "which is the Marxist philosophy", seems to perhaps confuse a fundamental Marxist tenet of socio-economic class equalization with an essential effect of Capitalism which, while relatiing to a form of societal leveling, I believe is more to the taste of a post-World War II hyper-marketization and consolidation of modern, initially American, consumer bases serving "to make everybody exactly alike". Furthermore, I don't believe Scrooge McDuck could be a "noble capitalist", as has been explained in paragraph five: his coming to fortune in the time of the robber barons and industrialists. Surely a sizeable percentage of workers in Scrooge's mills, mines, and industrial factories, with relation to labour conditions of these respective times (1890–1920), are still not only being exploited, but oppressed en masse; an under-girding concern within the systems of both Capitalism and especially Marxism. --Perolta 10:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scrooge's net worth

According the article, 'Duck Tales' refers to him as a 'quadzillionaire', which is not a number.

In this episode [2], Robin Lurch does an intro to the show 'Lifestyles of the Filthy Rich' and refers to Scrooge as 'Duckburg's Quintillionaire, Scrooge McDuck.'

Can someone with the episode verify this and update the article?

Hundreds of authors have given their own version of Scrooge, each of them gave the amount of money Scrooge has. Barks' gave several very different numbers (always with funny names), most ending with "and 60 cents". It is highly doubteful why the version of Duck Tales in particular (which is far from canonical) has to be included.

[edit] Net worth

From the article:

The sum of Scrooge's wealth is disputed.

I have never even thought the sum of Scrooge's wealth was a single, concrete, figure. Ever since I began reading Donald Duck comics, I have always thought of Scrooge's net worth as being "pretty damn much" or "arbitrarily much". Because not even Barks or Rosa have ever bothered naming a concrete, real-world figure, what's the point in speculating? JIP | Talk 19:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed no point. The sum of Scrooge's wealth is not disputed in the comics but only on wikipedia.

Flintheart Glomgold would disagree. My introduction to Scrooge as a child was "World's Richest Duck", with Flintheart and Scrooge rolling their balls of string across the heart of Africa in order to determine which of them was richer. Kww 03:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scottish-American

I'm pretty sure he is from the United States. Some times in the comics, he is often referred to as American, while he is traveling with Donald, Hewy Dewy and Louie Duck. If that's not good enough, I will try to use one of my many comics as a source, will look for it tonight, and then use one of the comics as a source. TheBlazikenMaster 13:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll leave it for now while you search for a source. I honestly think that your memory is playing tricks on you. These days, I read mainly about Oom Dagobert, who lives in Duckstad, and I'm pretty sure that they never explicitly claim Duckstad is in Holland, either.Kww 13:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
You don't think, it's not located in my memory, it's located in the comics. TheBlazikenMaster 14:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I don't remember specificly about Scrooge, but still, it was likely reffering to Donald Duck, but still, he also comes from the DuckBurg, so it makes sense that Scrooge can also come from the same place, but we two, one disagreeing isn't working out, we need more people to join the discussion. TheBlazikenMaster 14:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
As neither viewpoint has an official reference right now, I changed it to "Scottish accent". This is easily agreed upon and gets the point across. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 03:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia lists Calisota as a "fictional US state", so I guess he is a "fictional Scottish-American." I won't quibble with the category anymore. Kww 03:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
According to Don Rosa, he was born and raised in Scotland. At least in Carl Barks' stories, it'd seem clear he is of Scottish ancestry. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 22:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Nobody is denying the fact that he was born in Scotland, however he lives in Duckburg, and we are discussing whether or not it's located in the United States. TheBlazikenMaster 15:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I misunderstood. It'd seem many important artists, such as Carl Barks, Don Rosa and most Italian cartoonists had taken for granted Duckburg would be located in USA. European publisher Egmont might have preferred a vaguely European location, though, but I don't think Egmont has made many maps or references. Also, the name Calisota sounds very much like an American state. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 20:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't Egmont has ever committed to any specific location, if anything Duckburg entirely fictional and only (some of) the places they travel to exists (i.e Scotland). I do however believe that canonically speaking they come from Calisota which is a made up US state, while the ancestral roots are Scotland, so Scottish-American is what I would deem correct. BeShaMo (talk) 16:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Scrooge actually says himself that he is Scottish-American in the Don Rosa story The Dutchman's Secret, at least in the Norwegian translation. 96T (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
In the DuckTales episode "Once Upon a Dime" he told his nephews about how he moved to the United States from Scotland. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 10:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rich.

Shouldn't it be worth mentioning that Scrooge McDuck is one of the richest characters in fiction? TheBlazikenMaster 14:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Carnegie

Did you see the to-do list for the article and the question any information on which characters he might be based on? I want to improve that article. By putting the statement there I can attract attention. If I have to find the info my myself this search is doomed. I'm a moderate Scrooge fan. I read the Carl Barks library, I have Thomas Andreae recent book but that's it. What can you contribute? Unsigned, probably user:LeocomixKww 19:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Color me surprised. I don't believe it for a moment, but your theory is held by others. If you use http://www.standrewssocietyofvermont.org/Apr07-2.pdf as reference, note that others believe that Flintheart Glomgold is the duck most closely based on Carnegie (http://gilman.indstate.edu/CIMT272_Lesson8a-ScroogeMcDuck.doc), and note that Carnegie was widely noted for his charity, a trait notably lacking in Uncle Scrooge, I won't object to it.Kww 19:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for forgetting to sign. Scrooge is above all a fictional character I don't think for a moment he's patterned on Carnegie. I think he's a mix of influences, all the early 20th century millionaires into one: Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan. Currently the article only traces him back to Dickens while in the early part of the 20th century, these people were known by everybody. If I have to wait for an authority to state the similarities between Scrooge and Carnegie, we're missing the obvious. By the way, I'm not sure about Dickens' character, was he Scottish? Flintheart Glomgold is an Afrikaner not a Scot. Also, Carnegie became known for his charity later. He was not charitable from the start. --Leocomix 19:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
You sound like you think I'm still arguing with you. I'm not. The first reference (http://www.standrewssocietyofvermont.org/Apr07-2.pdf) qualifies as a reliable source, so you can use it as the citation for something like "Although never explicitly confirmed by Barks, it is theorized that Andrew Carnegie served as a model for Uncle Scrooge." Ebeneezer Scrooge was British, not Scottish at all. I realize that Glomgold is an Afrikaaner.Kww 20:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Glad we reached a consensus. I'd have expected you to include your proposal. Who says you just get to play cop and not editor? Thanks again for finding a source. --Leocomix 22:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Left to my own devices, I wouldn't have added it at all. I just pointed out a way to write it so I wouldn't feel compelled to delete it.Kww 22:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of Voice

Any reason why Scrooge McDuck didn't have a voice in Kingdom Hearts II?--BigMac1212 19:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Maybe because they didn't find any voice actor that could close enough to Scrooge's English voice. Well, it's officially from Japan, right? So it could be they found no Japanese voice actor good enough. TheBlazikenMaster 19:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional Centenarian

Killed the category. I agree, if Scrooge made his fortune in the Yukon, then he's 111. However, that was written in the 40's, and made him in his late 50's, which matches his character. He's just caught in a comic book time warp. None of you are arguing that Huey, Dewey and Louie are middle-aged men, are you? Kww 01:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It's actually more than that. Per Don Rosa, Scrooge was born in 1867 and died in 1967 (when Barks left his series). His birth date is from Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck. Rosa drew a single panel showing the Duck family in front of Scrooge's tomb (1867-1967)[3]. Rosa places all new stories within these years. So there's not a time warp. On the other hand the nephews remain children for 30 years (from their creation in 1938 to 1967) and Scrooge may have died before his 100th anniversary so your call was correct. --Leocomix 11:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I haven't paid much attention to Rosa's stuff. I read and collected all the Barks material, but my modern contact with the Duck family is all in Dutch. That is clearly taking place in modern times. Oom Dagobert also made his fortune in the Yukon, is alive today, so he is time-warped. Kww 12:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, there you go. Any discussion of Scrooge nowadays cannot omit Rosa since he's the official Scrooge biographer (and got Eisner awards for it). Check Rosa's stuff, it's well worth it. Indeed other artists put stories in present time but long-standing comic characters are not old men (Mandrake, Phantom), while Scrooge is conceived as an old man. In Donald Duck Four Color 238 (1949), Scrooge made his second billion 70 years before (1879). --Leocomix 12:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I assume he is in his seventies in the current comics. Oh and about his nephews, they are sometimes teenagers and sometimes kids (for example, in Quack Pack they are teens), but we take that discussion some other place. The fact that he died has nothing to do with what how old he is on the current comics. Think about it, he was modified to be younger. I'd say he is either in his 60s, 70s or 80s. Unless I find source from the current comics, we can't add him to that category. I have been a subscriber to the comics for a really long time, and still am, and I yet have to notice his true age. TheBlazikenMaster 18:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
If you follow Rosa's lead (you don't have to), he's between 80 and 100 since he was born in 1867 and his adventures occur between 1947 and 1967. There are two schools: one that considers them fantasy characters (most artists and nearly all readers, one that considers them humans drawn as anthropomorphic animals (Barks and Rosa) --Leocomix 18:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, you're probably right, I just thought he was in his 70s instead of being over 80 since he still has some of his youth during his adventures. TheBlazikenMaster 20:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not certain whether Barks really would consider his characters less fantasy than others. He never seemed particularly interested in creating a coherent chronology for his comics, he just used the gold rush as an exotic plot device. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 23:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed in 1991 Barks even wrote to Rosa "the ducks and mice and Pegleg petes of Disney's menagerie are all fairy tales creatures. To humanize them to the extent of explaining their parental origins detracts from their mystique". However Barks humanised the ducks (compared to what they were in Disney before) by characterising Donald as a working class man instead of a pure fantasy character. He also used to call him "Don". --Leocomix 08:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article?

I've reviewed the article, read the talk page, etc. Most of the remaining points in the to-do list seems inappropriate to me. I think the article is good. Any other opinion? --Leocomix 21:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm going to be working on this article to fix it up, please don't nominate it yet. -- Wikipedical 01:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Sure you can nominate when you think it's ready. There is one thing that bothers me in the article: Scrooge's personality is described as if the character is fairly consistent. I do not think he is. In Barks' hands he's very often a plot device: unscrupulous in the beginning, more likable when he gets his own feature, unscrupulous again in the early 70s Junior Woodchucks stories. Rosa has a more consistent view of Scrooge and even generates stories from the inconsistencies (as he explains in his notes for Chapt 11). But the preocupation with consistency or lack of it is a postmodern idea and didn't exist in Barks time. Even so Scrooge is not just Barks and Rosa's character. --Leocomix 11:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Word. Have any of you read Italian stories from the 60s and 70s? In many of these, he is an ultra-capitalist semi-criminal maniac. In later Italian stories, he has many more eccentric traits than in the American stories. In some stories (even some by Barks) he appears as very naïve, in others he is a genius. And so on. There is no continuity in Disney comics, not even in the personalities of the characters. 96T 21:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, I have noticed that sometimes in the comics, there is a flashback to older comics that are related to the storyline, why doesn't that count as continuity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBlazikenMaster (talk • contribs) 23:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
    • That seems like a Don Rosa technique, I don't think it's consistently usedby many other writers. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 00:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Don Rosa is pretty close to being the only Disney writer who uses flashback, yes. And as Don Rosa is currently doing one story per two years or something he is hardly representative. 96T 11:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This addition

Is it true that he has $10.9 billion? I'm pretty sure he mentioned some times in the comics that he has over trillion. TheBlazikenMaster 15:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DuckTales

I honestly think it should be mentioned in the first paragraph that he is the main character of DuckTales. I think it's notable because it's one of his biggest non-comic appearances. TheBlazikenMaster 19:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. I guess that I just don't think that Duck Tales was notable enough to warrant more than a passing mention, and certainly not in the lead.Kww 20:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
DuckTales could easily be mentioned in the second paragraph of the intro. 96T 21:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Keep the discussion going. I made it because I'm really against senseless edit wars and find them dumb personally. Anyway I unsubscribed to the comic since I realized I'm wasting too much money on a frozen paper. I still have 3 volumes of DuckTales, they can cover a lot of info about Scrooge McDuck, right? Yeah, I'm also discussing if I can still help using the DuckTales DVDs I own. TheBlazikenMaster 21:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
They would be a primary reference, so no, they can't be used as a reference at all. Someday, I'll go through this article and hack out the original research, but I'll need to be in a good mood when I start, because I know I'll be in a bad mood when I'm done.Kww (talk) 21:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Why not? DuckTales is after all made by the same company that made the comics: Walt Disney. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 22:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Because the only things that can be placed in the article are statements derived from reliable sources that have commented on Uncle Scrooge. You can't say "Uncle Scrooge normally wears a waistcoat" because you looked at a DVD or a comic, you have to quote or summarize a third-party that says that Uncle Scrooge normally wears a waistcoat. It's nothing specific about Duck Tales, it's a problem throughout the whole article. That's why it would be a lot of effort to fix this article, and I'm not going to start today. I will ask you to not make it worse by adding things that you find by watching your DVDs.Kww (talk) 22:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Are you calling my DVDs troublemakers? And you're wrong, this article doesn't only mention things in the comics, I can't help to notice that there is some mention of what he does in DuckTales. And you know as well as I do that the rich duck in DuckTales is the same rich duck as in the comics. With few differences, besides the fact that he lives with his nephews, the fact that Donald is a sailor and doesn't work for him, and the fact he doesn't sleep inside his huge box, he is still the same as in the comics, don't forget that. But I know what you mean, I know damn well that we need something big like an interview or a news report. Well, we are lucky that Scrooge is best known for his wealth, and is about as rich as Charles Burns. Well, good luck finding the sources. Don't worry, I know that the DVD can't be 100% trusted, as it might be a lot different than it looks. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 12:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
No, what I'm saying is that it has information directly from the comics and films, that isn't coming from a reviewer or scholar. That's not allowed, and some day I'll go in and take it all out. Then 50 people will put it back in, and I'll take it out, and there will be a six-month-long argument.Kww (talk) 14:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
No, don't take it all out, there needs to be mentioned that Scrooge has his own show called DuckTales. Comics aren't the only thing that matters, look at Superman, it doesn't only have comic mentions, so I see no reason why this article shouldn't mention that Scrooge is in DuckTales. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
You are misunderstanding me.
I hope that's clear, now.Kww (talk) 16:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I hope that's clear, now. You're damn right about that, thanks for explaining. I now understand you fully. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 16:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Films

I find it ridicilous to have Scrooge in that WikiProject. I mean did have any movie appearances at all besides the DuckTales movie? I wouldn't say that the Christmas special would count as it wasn't really a whole movie, it took less than 45 minutes. Is anyone against we remove Scrooge from here? I honestly think that one movie appearance doesn't cut it. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 12:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Canonical

Glancing through the article, and in reference to the above discussion about Ducktales I cannot help but wonder exactly what should be considered 'canonical' and thus included in an articel about Scrooge's personality. For example, should episodes from Ducktales really be included under moral values? The problem I find with this is that while many Ducktale episodes were inspired by Carl Barks' stories, they were often simplified, and certainly made significant changes to the personality of the characters.

If we include Ducktales, should we then include references from all the European authors? Italian and Dutch artists especially did tremendous amounts of character developments on many Disney characters including Scrooge McDuck. While I enjoy these stories, I do not really consider them canonical.

If any artists besides Barks could have a claim on being Canonical with Scrooge, I suppose it would be Don Rosa and even that I find controversial.

I am not gonna start edit anything, but I think it would be helpful to have this settled for future references. BeShaMo (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC) (edit: forgot signature)

Actually, reading through the morales section in more details, I think I might have jumped to (the wrong) conclusions. It seems to have been handled very well in describing how these values are applied later by other artists. My apologies. BeShaMo (talk) 12:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Articles

There is a merge tag on top of the article Money Bin suggesting the details of his huge vault be all merged into one single article. Shall I merge it? New York Dreams (talk) 02:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea ... do some editing when you do, though. It's a bit overlong, and certainly the discussion of Flintheart Glomgold's bin is extraneous.Kww (talk) 02:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah and while you're add it merge Number One Dime, which is about as notable as the bin, maybe even less. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I, for one, agree that the subject may not be notable enough, but on the practical side, it is much easier to the reader (and the editors) to keep the info on the Money Bin in its own article. Herve661 (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Merge in Money Bin

Its the result of its AFD, and if it doesn't get completed soon, it may be brought back there. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you meant "merge from", hey! Why wasn't I informed? There should have been something informing me about this on this talk page. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge to where?

The Money Bin and Number One Dime both need to be merged. But what would be the proper place in this article? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 20:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

This article :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you read my question properly, I asked where in the article. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 16:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Before you merge I really think you should look for sources to see if there is any of this so-called "real-world notability". I made this search on Google Scholar. An article titled "Virtual Logic: The One and the Many" by Louis Kauffman appears to hold the excerpt "That dime is just an old dime, but it is the fusion of that dime with Scrooge that creates the confidence maintaining the old duck's wealth and power", but unfortunately I don't have access to the entire article. However, I do have access to the article Material Values in the Comics: A Content Analysis of Comic Books Featuring Themes of Wealth by Russell W. Belk, published in The Journal of Consumer Research, Vol. 14, No. 1. (Jun., 1987), pp. 26-42, the number one dime is mentioned at least twice, including Magica deSpell's antics to steal it. Literary analysis of an item in an academic paper is unusual, and should establish notability for an independent article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Dude, I'm not reading that. I trust the sources are reliable, but the only reason I asked is because of this decision. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 18:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of that discussion, but I think the money bin is indeed notable enough for having its own article. I can quote many books where this symbol of the Scrooge McDuck universe (and comics in general) is discussed: books by scholars like Donald Ault's and Thomas Andrae's, the Barrier book on Carl Barks, the Carl Barks library published by Another Rainbow, books on Cavazzano by Luca Boschi in Italy, Romano Scarpa by Becattini etc. Herve661 (talk) 13:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Money Bin unmerged

I have restored the money bin article. A look in Google Scholar showed references in academia which refer to the money bin. More important is the book "Carl Barks: Conversations", where the interviewer and Barks often discuss this building, unfortunately Google Books, doesn't give the entire content, but from the few pages which are available, it is clear that the money bin is fairly significant. Finally, the money bin has influenced the Norwegian language by introducing the word "pengebinge" (though I don't have a source for that yet, and have consequently not added it to the article yet either). Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)