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[edit] Greater Cleveland Council

isn't there enough info here to spin Greater Cleveland Council into its own article? (or maybe a tinnerman article) I'd like to add info on buckeye council, but a precedent needs set first, as to where this info goes. (personally, I'd rather omit info it's gonna be lumped into this huge 'scouting in ohio' article....) Stuph 14:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

same questiom regarding Seven Ranges and Camp McKinley. Why make one massive article when they can stand on their own??

Stuph 02:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Good questions, and I will address each of them.

• No, there is not enough to make a separate Greater Cleveland Council article, and the Tinnerman article was merged in for that reason. The precedent is that in late January we lost some 50+ stubs because they were deemed non-notable, which is when we created the Scouting-by-state articles.

• Your decision to add Buckeye Council information or not is your own, but the Scouting WikiProject already has guidelines on sub-council and council articles that are really stubs. We don't want 400+ little council articles just to lose them again. If a Buckeye Council article is created, and it is great from the start, I mean really good, photographs, history, at least a whole page and not just a list of troops, then it can stand on its own. If it is like Seven Ranges or Camp McKinley, which are neither large enough, detailed enough or comprehensive enough, nor particularly encyclopedic, to stand on their own, it will get merged back into the parent article.

• Neither Seven Ranges or Camp McKinley are yet stand-alone articles, see second point, and this article is a good place for them to incubate until they are.

Chris 01:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Chris is abosolutely right, they won't stand on their own as is and we'll lose them, which is one of the many reasons we went to "Scouting by state". Put them here for now and if you develop them into full fledged articles, not stubs, great and some knucklehead won't come by and afd them and a summary could be left here. I'm not sure which is our best standalone council/lodge, etc article to show as an example, but Chris probably knows. Rlevse 01:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The best standalone council articles would be Cradle of Liberty Council and Chester County Council, all others have been or are stubs, and we really want to avoid 400+ council articles. For further documentation, see the top of [[Category:Boy Scouts of America Local Councils]]. There are no good standalone lodge articles, and only a handful of camps. Really, sub-council entities need to be under a parent council article, if anything.Chris 02:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historical council information to be folded in

• Ohio Barnesville 1917 1918
• Ohio Bedford 1917 1918
• Ohio Bowling Green 1917 1918
• Ohio East Palestine 1917 1918
• Ohio Lisbon 1917 1918
• Ohio Bucyrus 1918 1920
• Ohio Berea 1918 1921
• Ohio Elyria 1921
• Ohio Troy 1921 ended 1921
• Ohio 435 Ashtabula 1922 1926 ended 1926
• Ohio 458 Steubenville 1922 1926
• Ohio 433 Akron Area 1921 1971 changed name to Great Trail 433 1971
• Ohio 433 Great Trail 1971
• Ohio 462 Massillon 1919 1922 merged into Massillon and Tuscarawas Counties 462 1922
• Ohio Tuscarawas 1920 1922 merged into Massillon and Tuscarawas Counties 462 1922
• Ohio 436 Canton 1918 1923 changed name to Central Stark County 436 1923
• Ohio 455 Salem 1922 1923 changed name to North Columbia County 455 1923
• Ohio 462 Massillon and Tuscarawas Counties 1922 1923 changed name to Tuscarawas and Western Stark Area 462 1923
• Ohio 462 Tuscarawas and Western Stark Area 1923 1925 changed name to Western Stark and Northern Tuscarawas Counties 462 1925
• Ohio 455 North Columbia County 1923 1926 changed name to Columbiana County 455 1926
• Ohio 462 Western Stark and Northern Tuscarawas Counties 1925 1926 changed name to Tuscarawas and Western Stark Area 462 1926
• Ohio 436 Central Stark County 1923 1927 merged into Canton Area 436 1927
• Ohio 434 Alliance 1923 1928 merged into Canton Area 436 1928
• Ohio 462 Tuscarawas and Western Stark Area 1926 1929 changed name to Fort Laurens Area 462 1929
• Ohio 462 Fort Laurens Area 1929 1930 changed name to Massillon 462 1930
• Ohio 465 Wayne County 1919 1925 merged into Canton Area 436 1930
• Ohio 436 Canton Area 1927 1932 changed name to McKinley Area 436 1932
• Ohio 455 Columbiana County 1926 1953 changed name to Columbiana 455 1953
• Ohio 462 Massillon Area 1930 1953 changed name to Buckeye Area 462 1953
• Ohio 436 McKinley Area 1932 1958 merged into Buckeye 436 1958
• Ohio 462 Buckeye Area 1953 1958 merged into Buckeye 436 1958
• Ohio 455 Columbiana 1953 1991 merged into Buckeye 436 1991
• Ohio 436 Buckeye 1958
• Kentucky 201 Covington 1916 1925 changed name to Northern Kentucky 201 1925
• Ohio 448 Hamilton 1919 1925 changed name to Butler County 448 1925
• Ohio 454 Middletown 1917 1932 changed name to Mound Builders Area 454 1932
• Ohio 448 Butler County 1925 1935 changed name to Fort Hamilton 448 1935
• Kentucky 201 Northern Kentucky 1925 1952 changed name to Dan Beard 201 1952
• Kentucky 201 Dan Beard 1952 1956 merged into Dan Beard 438 1956
• Ohio 438 Cincinnati Area 1915 1956 merged into Dan Beard 438 1956
• Ohio 448 Fort Hamilton 1935 1959 merged into Dan Beard 438 1959
• Ohio 454 Mound Builders Area 1932 1985 merged into Dan Beard 438 1985
• Ohio 438 Dan Beard 1956 http://www.danbeard.org
• Ohio 439 Clark County 1923 1929 changed name to Tecumseh 439 1929
• Ohio 439 Tecumseh 1929 http://www.tecumsehcouncilbsa.org
• Ohio 443 Cuyahoga Falls 1921 1925 merged into Greater Cleveland 440 1925
• Ohio 440 Cleveland 1915 1929 merged into Greater Cleveland 440 1929
• Ohio 440 Greater Cleveland 1929 http://www.gccbsa.org
• Ohio 445 Lancaster 1917 1922 changed name to Fairfield County 445 1922
• Ohio 451 Newark 1919 1922 changed name to Licking County 451 1922
• Ohio 457 Portsmouth 1915 1923 changed name to Scioto County 457 1923
• Ohio 437 Chillicothe 1921 1927 merged into Columbus 441 1929
• Ohio 445 Fairfield County 1922 1927 merged into Columbus 441 1929
• Ohio 450 Lawrence County 1923 1929 merged into Scioto County 457 1929
• Ohio Pickaway County 1919 1921 merged into Columbus 441 1929
• Ohio 441 Columbus 1910 1930 changed name to Central Ohio 441 1930
• Ohio 457 Scioto County 1923 1931 changed name to Scioto Area 457 1931
• Ohio 451 Licking County 1922 1987 merged into Central Ohio 441 1987
• Ohio 441 Central Ohio 1930 1994 January 1 merged into Simon Kenton 441 1994 January 1
• Ohio 457 Scioto Area 1931 1994 January 1 merged into Simon Kenton 441 1994 January 1
• Ohio 464 Chief Logan 1944 1994 January 1 merged into Simon Kenton 441 1994 January 1
• Ohio 441 Simon Kenton 1994
• Ohio 444 Dayton 1916 1929 merged into Dayton-Miami Valley 444 1929
• Ohio 456 Piqua 1920 1929 merged into Dayton-Miami Valley 444 1929
• Ohio 444 Dayton-Miami Valley Area 1929 1949 changed name to Miami Valley 444 1949
• Ohio 444 Miami Valley 1949
• Ohio 446 Defiance 1920 1926 merged into Shawnee Area 452 1926
• Ohio 452 Lima 1919 1926 merged into Shawnee Area 452 1926
• Ohio 463 Van Wert 1922 1926 merged into Shawnee Area 452 1926
• Ohio 449 Hancock County 1923 1930 merged into Put-Han-Sen Area 449 1930
• Ohio Tiffin 1915???? merged into Put-Han-Sen Area 449 1932
• Ohio 449 Put-Han-Sen Area 1930 1992 January 1 merged into Black Swamp Area 449 1992 January 1
• Ohio 452 Shawnee Area 1926 1992 January 1 merged into Black Swamp Area 449 1992 January 1
• Ohio 449 Black Swamp Area 1992 January 1
• Ohio 458 Sandusky City 1921 1925 changed name to Firelands Area 458 1925
• Ohio 453 Mansfield 1919 1926 changed name to Johnny Applied 453 1926
• Ohio 443 Harding Area 1926 1994 January 1 merged into Heart of Ohio 450 1994 January 1
• Ohio 453 Johnny Appleseed Area 1926 1994 January 1 merged into Heart of Ohio 450 1994 January 1
• Ohio 458 Firelands Area 1925 1994 January 1 merged into Heart of Ohio 450 1994 January 1
• Ohio 450 Heart of Ohio 1994 January 1
• Ohio 447 Sandusky County 1919 1925 changed name to Hayes Area 447 1925
• Ohio 460 Toledo 1915 1925 changed name to Maumee Valley 460 1925
• Ohio 447 Hayes Area 1925 1929 merged into Toledo Area 460 1929
• Ohio 460 Maumee Valley 1925 1929 merged into Toledo Area 460 1929
• Ohio 460 Toledo Area 1929 1999 June 1 changed name to Erie Shores 460 1999 June 1
• Ohio 460 Erie Shores 1999 June 1 http://www.toledobsa.com
• Ohio 461 Warren 1919 1922 changed name to Trumbull County 461 1922
• Ohio 466 Youngstown 1915 1927 changed name to Mahoning Valley 466 1927
• Ohio 461 Trumbull County 1922 1948 merged into Western Reserve 464 1948
• Ohio 461 Western Reserve 1948 1993 June 1 merged into Grater Western Reserve #463 1993 June 1
• Ohio 463 Northeast Ohio 1929 1993 June 1 merged into Greater Western Reserve #463 1993 June 1
• Ohio 466 Mahoning Valley 1927 1993 June 1 merged into Greater Western Reserve #463 1993 June 1
• Ohio 463 Greater Western Reserve 1993 June 1 http://www.bsa-gwrc.org
• Ohio 467 Zanesville 1919 1923 changed name to Muskingum County 467 1923
• Ohio 442 Coshocton County 1922 1928 changed name to Kno-Co-Ho-Tus 442 1928
• Ohio 467 Muskingum County 1923 1929 changed name to Zane Trace 467 1929
• Ohio 442 Kno-Co-Ho-Tus Area 1928 1947 changed name to Tomahawk Area 442 1947
• Ohio 442 Tomahawk Area 1947 1956 merged into Muskingum Valley 467 1956
• Ohio 467 Zane Trace Area 1929 1956 merged into Muskingum Valley 467 1956
• Ohio 467 Muskingum Valley 1956