Talk:Scouting in Burma

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Can someone put this text Image:Burmanamestrip.jpg into the organization name on the article? Thanks Chris 08:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting in Burma from Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve

These next four requests are related, the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting has articles on Scouting in every country, and I am writing those on the nations that Scouting has been suppressed in or where it has lain dormant in for years. Most modern Scout organizations have made readily available good-quality legible variants of their national emblems for educational purposes such as Wikipedia. For defunct or dormant organizations, generally the only images available are poor photocopies passed from hand to hand, or scans of decades-old patches where the insignia is not clear or bright. We have good images for Mainland China, Vietnam and Cuba, but lack in some other areas. With the exception of Ethiopia, all of these are not-presently-in-use, and based on the governments the copyrights may or may not be valid, but with the improvements I am asking for, these would be Wikipedia renditions separate from any copyrighted variant. Our goal is to have these emblems available on Commons once there are usable variants of them. Someday these nations will have their Scouts back, and we want to provide them with good histories they can use as they rebuild.

Our project facilitator has given you guys The Scouting Barnstar on the talk page here, thank you all! Chris 05:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

shows the griffin-like supporters that need to be in red along both sides of the central petal

text for the scroll

text for the scroll
Burma-1coloredin.jpg

to illustrate where there are a couple of minor discrepancies

Article(s): Scouting in Burma

Request: I would ask that the image be enlarged to show detail, the green brightened up so as not to show as black on some monitors, the details on the griffins crisped-up to show detail, and the text on the scroll also made clearer. Chris 05:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

ps-if it would help, you can completely leave off the green ovoid background, so as to highlight the emblem itself. Thanks! Chris 16:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Do you need an exact copy of the griffin but optimized, or do you want it recolored also? Akiramenai 08:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be an exact copy, that was just the best one I could find to show detail. It does need to be in red, though. There is another image at Chinthe if it would help. And thank you so much for this! Chris 16:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I made the svg of the text but I don't know how to get it to bend, if someone can do that and put it in the pic, all that would be left is the finalisation.--Cronholm144 15:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, as in the request above, could you enlarge the image to show detail? Image:Laos.jpg below, at 167 × 219 pixels, 100px, is a really good size for details. And for the chinthe to show up well, a brighter red, rather than the maroon, might look crisper. Perhaps red body with maroon outlining? :) Thanks again, folks, you are wonderful! Chris 07:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll get on it.--Cronholm144 11:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW if you specify the pixel count you can make the image as large or as small as you want.--Cronholm144 16:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

That is so nice, I love it! If I have not thanked you personally, thank you!
  • A couple things have jumped out at me, and I have created Image:Burma-1coloredin.jpg to illustrate what I am talking about. (I had to do it as a jpg as I cannot make svgs work on my computer; I see there is discussion of that here.) The space below the griffins (marked in purple to show) is not actually a rectangle; it's just very tiny, but it is where the left, center and right petals are drawn together but still remain slightly separate. I wish I could explain better.
  • The other thing I see (and you probably already had this in mind to mirror later), but the bottom parts of the fleur-de-lis and the two sides of the scroll (marked with red asterisks) are not symmetrical in shape to one another. Both shapes are good, and your guess is as good as mine, but it needs to be symmetrical.
Also, I did not know you could enlarge svgs like that; thank you for showing me! I so appreciate your hard work on my behalf! Chris 06:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
That's great, you got it! Thanks! The only remaining thing I see aside from adding the text is to even out both sides of the scroll (which also seem to be slightly different on the Ethiopian, Laotian and Iranian images). The rounder, taller right side should be the one duplicated. Chris 07:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and please trim off all the surrounding excess white edging, it will make the image appear smaller in the articles if left on. :) Chris 21:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Bueno! Just the text, now, and this one will be complete! Thank you so much! Chris 22:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Witin sight of the finish line-on the second and last characters, the c-shaped diacritical marks should not be touching the character beneath them. The white below the emblem needs removed, then this one is done and you guys will have less cause to hate me! :)

The white rmval will come last... I don't know if there is a way to keep the spaces and have a uniform pic. Look closely at the raw you provided. There are no spaces. As for the hate, I took an oath to give back more than it gave to me... so it's really the least I can do.--Cronholm144 12:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

On the text I put and the one you reformatted, there are clearly spaces between both sets of characters. When either image is expanded, the spaces are clear. Perhaps I am not explaining myself well. Above the second character, and again above the last character, there are c shapes, not connected to the main letter. These should also not be connected in the image itself. Chris 02:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Look at the green emblem you provided...no spaces there just isn't room unless I scale down the whole thing but it will look wierd. --Cronholm144 02:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I get it now, sorry, I didn't follow. Bear in mind that badge is a 45+ year old little thing the size of a thumb-knuckle, they didn't have the technology to split the letters well then. Nowadays most patches are done by computer. For the sake of correctness, I would ask you to scale the text just slightly, say 5/10 percent. It may not mean much to us, but to them that's their language. Chris 04:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Boy Scouts India Badge.jpg

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BetacommandBot 17:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Burma Girl Guides badge

Resolved. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

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WAGGGS-Burma Girl Guides badge.jpg

text of scroll

center peacock coloration (you can even use the same artwork, or derive what you want)

new Burma GG badge

the Boy Scout version is SVG, as from the same period, copyright is okay

the "pockets" on the letters are usually hollow, just the first one is filled, trying to find out why now

Article(s): Scouting in Burma

Request: combine elements into color version, work your magic! :) white inner section around peacock, royal blue 4169E1 outer rim of trefoil. This is a 39 year extinct, banned organization, copyright is not an issue anymore, please make this an SVG like the Boy Scout version from the same period, above. Thank you so much! -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Uploaded new version. I'll let you decide on the license etc. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 00:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC) Jeff, this is absolutely beautiful! A couple of things,

  • would you make the legs less obvious, you could even make the bird sitting, but in the original you can't really see them at all. (maybe have the bottom feathers touch the bottom blue border, then truncate the feet; this would also make the bird slightly larger within the emblem)
  • would you make the text white on the blue background, for contrast?
  • can you try a version without the black bordering? I don't think it needs it and would like to see if it can do without the black separations.

Thank you so much! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Text is white now, I've switched to a thinner black border because removing it conflicts with the scroll at the bottom. How's this? Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 00:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Much better, let me ask you one more thing as a test, and if it is not possible I totally understand. I am sure the original did not have the black divisions, but I understand your concerns about the scroll. Could you reverse the scroll, so it is white, bordered in blue, with blue text? That would be preferable to any black bordering whatsoever. Thank you so much! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I tried a version with a white scroll, but it looks really weird. Do you have access to a better original? Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 01:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, it's taken me 14 years just to find that one, I am sorry. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

(also, could you boost the size of the peacock within the emblem about 25%? On the original it seems to fill more of the white space, and the indents for the leaves are covered more deeply) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

You're doing a great job on this, by the way, I am sorry to be sort of particular, there's kind of an unspoken set of rules on such emblems, as they are meant to be embroidered, which means no outlining thus. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, on the second Burmese character, the pocket is hollow, not solid, think of it like musical notes. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
New version uploaded; better? Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 04:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Far and away better, thank you so much for your patience on this one. Two very minor things, one important, one cosmetic. 1) where the top feathers touch the emblem, could you please have the bird be the foreground and the blue border bits under, instead of the blue parts overlain on the peacock (I don't think it is meant to be a frame in that sense); 2) now that the scroll is reversed, could you use a slightly thicker pixel for the blue outlining? Like if that is one dot, could it perhaps be three? It would not be overbearing, but would show well when scaled. You rock, by the way! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
No problem; actually having a 3px border makes the scroll look much better. Bird is now in front. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 05:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Perfect, just right, one more for the Jeff-Dahl-is-a-rock-god Hall of Fame! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)