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Contents 1 Start 2 Requested move 2.1 Survey 2.2 Discussion 3 Tabling 4 acrostic poem? 5 Korean 6 For any old thing

[edit] Start

As the Scout motto, this is one of the world's very well-known slogans, so I'm starting a page specifically about it. I'm moving the other (comparatively minor) uses to a Be Prepared (disambiguation) page.

Future contents can include translations into many more languages, the origins of the motto, the play on Baden-Powell's initials, etc. Zaian 19:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I think there ought to be a bit more on the history and meaning of the phrase 'be prepared'. As scouting has always been a proto-military organization, the original 'be prepared' quote comes from Baden-Powell as quoted in Scouting for Boys, 12 February 1908, pages 331-332.

The original full quote is "BE PREPARED to die for your country if need be, so that when the moment arrives you may charge home with confidence, not caring whether you are going to be killed or not"

As such, the 'be prepared' quote has much more to do with militaristic loyalty than I suspect most people these days care to understand.

Yesterday I updated the main page with the true meaning of "Be Prepared," INCLUDING a citation, yet someone deemed it necessary to remove my entry and return to the current text, which has NO citation. The current text is NOT from a primary source and NOT properly substantiated. What's the deal?--Milo rules 16:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have gone back and 'fixed' the text to include the original full quote. I have included the PRIMARY SOURCE CITATION, which was previously lacking. The previous entry contained a SECONDARY SOURCE CITATION, which merely referred to the full quote by way of reference.--Milo rules 16:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tabling

What would you folks think, if we make this a table like the WOSM membership list? Chris 08:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I've no strong feelings either way about putting the various languages into a table. Kingbird 17:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I notice that at the moment some of the Spanish language mottoes end in an exclamation mark. Unfortunately, this isn't correct. In Spanish, exclamation marks are used in pairs, with one like this ¡ at the start and one like this ! at the end. So these mottoes have either lost or gained a punctuation mark in transit. Kingbird 01:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I went off of Trefoil round the World, which only used the pair for Chile. If you would like to correct, feel free, I noticed the book had many typos. Chris 02:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, there was no structure to the original list, so I made it a table. I just can't figure out what to do with Esperanto (Estu preta), Interlingua (Sempre Preste), and Uighur (Tayyar Bol). Should a "language" column be added, maybe right after country? Chris 02:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a go at checking those Spanish ones on the internet. That should clear up some of them. But I might take a while, so don't wait for me. I can change things in the article as easily as here. As for the three languages not specifically attached to a country, either do as you suggest or create a second (very similar) table to go below the first one. I can't think of anything better at this stage. Kingbird 18:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

And now found at the Russian Scouting article Якутский: Belem Buol (Yakut). Chris 21:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

still undone-Afghan, Samoan, Dzongkha Bhutanese, Tetum, Tigrinya, Tahitian, Kalaallisut, Chamorro, Hawaiian, Marshallese, Ulithian, Woleaian, Yapese, Ponapean, Kosraean, Chuukese, Burmese, Nauruan, Māori, Hausa, Zarma, Palauan, Tokelauan, Tuvaluan, Bislama, Uvean, Futunan Chris 06:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

need rendered in their own scripts-Uyghur, Mongolian script, Tibetan script, Cherokee syllabary, Berber languages, Syriac alphabet, Chris 06:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] acrostic poem?

I don't see the relevance of that acrostic poem. It's not even sourced. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.20.177.216 (talk) 19:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

I've significantly altered this section, and it now includes a source. Kingbird 19:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

...and there was much rejoicing. Good work. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Korean

Can someone put the text of the scroll of this badge into the article itself? Chris 10:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Removed {{needhangul}} as I already answered here. eDenE 13:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For any old thing

Is there any reliable source for the fable of Baden-Powell when asked "What should they be prepared for?" Responding "Why, for any old thing."? —ScouterSig 21:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I as wondering the same thing. I found it in my old copy of "The Official Boy Scout Handbook" Ninth edition, Twelveth printing November 1988, Copyright 1979 page 42. I just checked the tenth edition and it has the same quote, word for word on page 562. It doesn't read like a cited statement though. Here is the line from the book:

"Someone once asked Baden-Powell, the founder of Scouting, "Be prepared for what?" "Why," said B-P, "for any old thing."..."

71.193.243.8 (talk) 04:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)