Talk:Scottish Crossbill

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[edit] Wrong picture?

Assuming the filename is correct, this is actually a picture of the Parrot Crossbill (Loxia pytyopsittacus) rather than the Scottish Crossbill (L. scotica). Flapdragon 14:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

And Scottish Crossbill doesn't occur in central Europe, but Scottish is often considered to be a subspecies of Parrot Crossbill.... Jimfbleak 14:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the picture, but as i put in the edit summary, the picture is of the superficially similar Parrot Crossbill, (Loxia pytyopsittacus), as pointed out above, Scottish Crossbill is considered by some to be a subspecies of this species, so why not use this picture until a more suitable one can be found. Greenfinch100 20:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with this view. People can find the parrot crossbill picture by following the appropriate link if they need to. We don't use "similar" images in other articles. At the very least, you'd have to adjust the caption in image namespace to point out which species is being shown, and what its relation is to any other species that may allow it to be used in other articles. Finally, I might add that I think the rationale you have just offered is similar to what we use for fair use. Fair use would not apply in this case, because a free image could be obtained. Similarly, we should not be so lazy to include an incorrect image rather than work hard to obtain permission to use an accurate one. Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added an image caption. I believe there are two issues of significance here. The first is whether or not the image is misleading. As the only significant visual clue that distinguishes the Scottish from the Parrot and Common is a relatively small variation in bill size, I can't imagine that anyone except the most seasoned watcher might be misled. Hopefully the caption now avoids even that possibility. The second issue is availability of images. The bird is ( I believe) the rarest resident European bird. There are few Commons images of any Scottish creature on its native heath and I suspect obtaining one might not be easy. If you are motivated to find one that's terrific, but in the meantime it is my view that an all-but-indistinguishable one from the real thing is better than nothing. Ben MacDui^Talk/Walk 20:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)