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[edit] Coat of arms of Catalonia

I don't understand your reverting my modifications to the page Coat of arms of Catalonia. I beg you to explain that, because I don't like editing wars. --Jotamar (talk) 16:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Contestaré a tu mensaje en castellano, espero que nadie nos llame la atención.

  • Primero de todo, yo no he añadido ninguna bandera de los estados papales, tendrías que explicarme a qué te refieres exactamente.
  • El ejemplo que pones de Blas Piñar suena bastante exagerado, la verdad. Y en todo caso me parece que en el bando catalán también debe haber algún Blas Piñar que otro.
  • Respecto a la fecha de 1159, seguramente es un error, yo lo que había oído es un sello de Alfonso II de 1167. Este sello que yo sepa es aceptado por todo el mundo, por lo tanto es la primera undisputed evidence, si tienes claro lo que significa undisputed.
  • Pero vamos al grano: mis modificaciones que has revertido. Como había comentado en mi modificación lo que a mí me interesa es el "Neutral point of view", y si digo que hay quien duda del sello de Ramon Berenguer IV de 1150 (rey de Aragón de facto, aunque no de iure), eso es objetivamente cierto, y la referencia externa lo prueba. Yo no digo lo que es cierto y lo que no, sólo expongo que hay distintas opiniones, ahí está el NPOV.
  • En definitiva, la manera de mejorar la Wikipedia no es borrar lo que no te gusta, por muy seguro que estés de su invalidez. Hay que matizar, poner en contexto, y sobre todo documentar, pero no andar borrando por ahí por las buenas.

Dicho esto, espero que recuperes lo que yo añadí al artículo, añadiendo tus propias matizaciones. Si quieres, pásame el texto que consideres más exacto (y respetando el NPOV) en castellano y yo lo traduciré. Saludos --Jotamar (talk) 21:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


You are very stubborn, Sclua, and you don't seem to have any interest in either consensus or the neutral point of view. If you expect me to just get tired and forget about this whole issue, you can't be more misguided. Just for starters, it's hight time you read this :
Wikipedia: Punt de vista neutral

I expect you to do something about Coat of arms of Catalonia. For the moment I'm following Wikipedia's guidelines that recommend to be patient with inexperienced users like you. --Jotamar (talk) 00:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sclua, I made some changes to the article, to let Jotamar re-write his version there without stepping into your version. This should hopefully avoid edit wars, and make a better article --Enric Naval (talk) 02:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May 2008

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits, such as the one you made to Crown of Aragon.
Any further vandalism will result in you being blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Enric Naval (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You have removed again the government of aragon source. Please address my comments here and stop removing sources from articles. I explain you how you are making original research with the words from Menendez-Pidal. Please provide a exact book and number page of the Menendez-Pidal claims so they can verify. You also claim that the dynastic union is on Berenguer and you provide no explanation other than you personal assesment of the situation, unbacked by any sort of secondary source studying the situtation. Please notice that deletion of warnings[1] is the same as accepting that they have been read. I'm sorry if I'm harsh, but you have been removing sources and reverting all edits that didn't push towards a certain POV. Warning you for this is not "mobbing". You must stop this behaviour. --Enric Naval (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for using specific sources

I see that you are finally using good specific sources to make your edits[2]. I will leave that edit alone since the source is better than the one it's replacing.

However, I see that you keep using as reference "see all the International Heraldry Academy works. Paul Adam-Even, Michel Pastoureau, Léon Jéquier, Faustino Menéndez-Pidal, Martí de Riquer, etc." but you should be citing specific sources, like you did on your edit on Crown of Aragon. Also, you keep saying "disputed by aragonese nationalists only" but the source you link to[3] does not assert such a thing. I removed that reference, please stop re-adding it unless you have a source that actually states that. I also tried to merge a bit the versions so that you will stop edit-warring with Jotamar [4]. Please try to get a specific source for that paragraph. Just saying to look at "all the International Heraldry Academy works" is a comment that can be done at a talk page, not in a reference on an article. The reference is too vague to allow other editors to verify it since it would force them to check a lot of documents. --Enric Naval (talk) 05:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Finally, I don't understand your comment here[5]. What is it exactly that you see when you open the page? which browser are you using? I don't think that you can't see them because of "spanish censorship", it must be some technical problem. --Enric Naval (talk) 05:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Btw, good catch here [6], I hadn't noticed that the source was misquoting Segarra's investigation --Enric Naval (talk) 04:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your behavior in Coat of arms of Catalonia

  • Should I indicate to you that some of your passages have been tagged as NOT following the standard writing conventions of modern English, including correct grammar, punctuation and spelling as well as NOT presenting competing views on controversies logically and fairly, and pointing out all sides without favoring particular viewpoints. Please, read Wikipedia:The perfect article. If you keep erasing what other editors are tagging in order to improve the article in NPOV, you will be reported.
  • You are constantly Edit warring with nonsense explanations. Please, read Wikipedia:Edit war if not wanting to be reported
  • You have just broken the 3 revert rule. Please, read Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. One more revert to this article, and you will be reported.

After reading some of the edits on your talk page and noticing that other users have already warned you before because of your behavior even if you blanked the page, I am posting this advice in your talk page before following the steps indicated how to deal with disruptive editors.

--MauritiusXXVII (Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!) 17:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Also notice the POV edits like "without any prestige outside Aragon" here, which not only is not supported by the source for that paragraph, but it removes a statement that does appear on the source --Enric Naval (talk) 06:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did to Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

In this edit you removed several reliable sources because you don't agree with what they say, you remove the reliable source to the royal crown being a spanish one despite the image on the article clearly depicting one, you remove aclarations about what the source is saying, you remove a catalan author from one sourced list in order you support an unsourced statement that only aragonese authors and you remove several relevant images.
Also, on the talk page you then proceeded to accuse other editors of anti-catalanism when they restored the reliable sources and corrected the misquotings of sources. Also, you have already done this on several degrees, and you have edit-warred to remove sources you didn't like from Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia and Crown of Aragon --Enric Naval (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your behavior in Crown of Aragon

  • You have just broken the 3 revert rule. Please, read Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. One more revert to this article, and you will be reported.
  • You are constantly Edit warring with nonsense explanations. Please, read Wikipedia:Edit war if not wanting to be reported

--MauritiusXXVII (Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!) 17:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] accusations of anti-nationalism POV on talk page

Please do not attack other editors, which you did here: Talk:Coat_of_arms_of_Catalonia. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Please limit yourself to making sourced improvements to the article, and stop accussing other editors of anti-catalanism, of bias when removing unreliable sources that were discussed on RSN, of being "not an expert Chilean on this item" (whatever you wanted to mean with that), of being obessed with nationalist views, calling another editor "ignorant", of anti-catalanims when adding "merely "prince"" when it's backed by a Payne's book, and other things, like you did here --Enric Naval (talk) 15:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
"nobody say 'red bars', southamerican!!". That's exactly what this xenophobic and racist user just called me. It happens that I am not chilean nor southamerican, but my fiancee is... I consider this a tremendous personnal attack and a lack of respect against other people.
some types of comments are never acceptable: Racial, sexual, homophobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, or other epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion, race, sexual preference, or ethnicity is not a legitimate excuse.
The prohibition against personal attacks applies equally to all Wikipedians. It is as unacceptable to attack a user with a history of foolish or boorish behavior, or even one who has been subject to disciplinary action by the Arbitration Committee, as it is to attack any other user
If Sclua doesn't present immediate excuses, I will take care that he faces serious consequences through arbitration, such as being subjected to a definitive community ban.
Xenophobic people like Sclua are despicable! --MauritiusXXVII (Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!) 19:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] and accusations of spanish fascim on several pages

Like They are trying to block me, are trying that i leave to edit, i am suffering mobbing from both users with lots of threatens (...) It is Spanish fascism, worse than Chinese one (...)" [7].

Like "i think a fascist Spanish hacker has blocked my access" here and here, in which you promised you moderate your vocabulary, and then you proceed to go to say "two user with very few knowledges about this item, who has not read a book but only several bias websites, in an edit-warring like they were the owners of this article." [8] and then you also did the accusations that I mention on the section above --Enric Naval (talk) 15:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You have been reported

For not wanting to cooperate, not assuming good faith of other editors, reiterated personal attacks and edit warring, you have been reported. Here is the link. --MauritiusXXVII (Aut Doce, Aut Disce, Aut Discede!) 21:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)