Talk:SCIMTR

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I found a .gif of a photograph of a SCITMR shotgun shell, cut open to show the arrangement of razor flechettes inside the plastic sleeve (sort of a sabot) inside the cartridge.

If any registered user is interested, I can email it to you and you can put it on the page.

Do you have any source information on the image? I can find pictures on the web, but those may be subject to copyright. If you can show the picture is from the CAWS data published by the US government, then the image is public domain, and it can be used here. As I recall, pictures of pictures are not copyrightable (see Wikipedia:Public_domain#Uncreative_works), so any scan made of the CAWS data is not copyrightable, and can be used. scot 15:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have no idea of its origin, nor do I know who, if anyone, owns the rights to the image.

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The picture here says 20 gua right on it, every other picture I've seen was based on that one, with the 20 edited out..

Hmmm, that is odd. The CAWS guns were all based on 12 gauge derivatives; in the case of H&K, for example, a 19.5 x 76mm belted case, equilvalent to a 3" 12 guage shell[2]. The AAI is variously listed as "special 12 guage round", "20 mm", and "18.5 x 79 mm". 18.5 mm (.729) is the bore diameter of a shotgun, so 20mm might well refer to the outside diameter of the shell--I can't find a dimensioned drawing of a standard 12 gauge, so I don't know how big they are. The 20 ga. round was probably a test bed for the SCIMTR projectile; certainly firing, say, 5 or 6 of them from a 20 gauge (look at the picture of the sabot closely, and you'll see that it seems unlikely that 8 of them are present) would give you just as good a terminal ballistics testing as 8 from a 12 gauge, and with far less recoil to deal with. Since a big issue was penetration of armor at long ranges, and since hitting a small sample of armor at long rage was going to be a matter of chance given the spread at that range, a low velocity load fired at short range to give you the same terminal ballistics as a high velocity load at long range would also be helpful in testing. Purely speculation there, but it does seem a logical way to explain why a 20 gauge round would be associated with what were well documented 12 gauge guns... scot 15:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)