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Contents 1 Indeed, my mistake 2 Offwhyte/Galapagos4 3 Deletion of Africa Growth Net 4 Please undelete image 5 Deletion of WellPetUSA 6 Lymbyc Systym 7 Language Testing Centre 8 Senso Ryū Aikijūjutsu 9 WP:MALLS 10 Galleries 11 Fictional WTO movie 12 3RR warning 13 Directory Assistance - Free Services 14 Why? 15 SVMF deleted page 16 Where is my userpage? 17 RE:Unprotect? 18 Re: Welcome 19 Deletion review for March 19, 2008 anti-war protest 20 Deletion of Silver Spring Fountain picture 21 Staunton 22 Beach Touch 23 Albergo

[edit] Indeed, my mistake

Thank you for correcting my reversion on ATA's article, I mistakenly assumed they were both the same program, as there is no mention to the Karate For Kids program in the article, only Tiny Tigers'.

I do think though that the photo should be considered to verify that the KFK program uses headbands IF you also consider that a user gave that information in (assumed) good faith. What I mean is, if someone says the headbands are used (although it's not written anywhere AFAIK) and there is a photo where some children are using headbands in ATA's site, during an (assumed) official event, I think it could be considered to be true, seeing as there are strict rules over what can and can't be worn in official events.

Anyway, that is my opinion, and it may not be the usual Wikipedia policy on what constitutes a verifiable source.

Thanks again! Jitieicreiz (talk) 10:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, going on a photo alone is usually not a good idea for a citation. However, I admit I do remember the headbands from when I was in Taekwondo years ago when I was a child (in a non-Karate for Kids school), and we had a testing with a Karate for Kids school, and those people wore the headbands. Finding some kind of documentation on it, though, would be optimal. One might not necessarily find this online, but I'm sure one can find it somewhere. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Being the persistent person I am, I went for a little search in Google, and I came across this on ATA's Shop. I'm not sure it's use is compulsory, but it must be an acceptable accessory, considering the description saying "Headbands that help your Tiny Tiger display their level of achievement". So I guess the information is indeed correct, I just don't know if this counts as a reliable source, an item being sold in ATA's store. It's not like it explicitly says that they use it, but it does mean they allow their usage. I'll leave it to you to decide how to deal with this information if you don't mind, seeing as I'm not sure about how to handle this source, as it seems somewhat odd to use an online store product to confirm such information. :S Jitieicreiz (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Having a nice third-party source is optimal. This is a primary source, and in a retail store setting, which is not a great source. Personally, I'd be inclined to leave it out entirely until we find a source that's a lot better than that. SchuminWeb (Talk) 13:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Offwhyte/Galapagos4

Hi, actually you did mark Galapagos4 for deletion as cited here:

(cur) (last) 10:32, 23 May 2008 SchuminWeb (Talk | contribs) (2,610 bytes) (Nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Galapagos4. using TW) (undo)

Both Galapagos4 and Offwhyte are notable in their genre of music which is underground/independent hip hop. There are many, many other bands listed on Wikipedia that are not as accredited as Galapagos4 and Offwhyte, both within our genre and outside our genre.

I would like both of these articles considered for re-publishing. Otherwise I still have a copy of the original content will start a deletion review. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.125.107.177 (talk • contribs)

Galapagos4 was submitted to Articles for deletion, and not speedily deleted. The two are very different processes and should not be confused. You're more than welcome to contribute to the discussion if you feel so inclined.

As for Offwhyte, you're welcome to submit them for deletion review, but I doubt you're going to get very far. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Africa Growth Net

Hi Schumin,

I was sorry to see the entry for Africa Growth net was deleted. The need to create sustainable business environments and dialogues regarding the means by which this can be achieved in Africa is an important part of the continent's development. The site is a forum for research surrounding these issues which I thought was stated clearly in the deleted entry. It is also notable because it is one of the first sites of its kind to discuss the role of business in developing countries - in a Web 2.0 application.

Clarkemw (talk) 20:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Matt

[edit] Please undelete image

Can you please undelete the image: Image:LAgameWardenPlate.jpg. I think this image has been deleted in error. I've stated in the talk page and on the license that I am the author of this image and have released it to the public domain. If some other documentation is required to release an image to the public domain, please let me know what that may be. This image is NOT a work or a deriative of a work of any state government, nor is it the property of any state government, nor does any state government hold a copyright on it. Notice any similarity between my user name and the image?Sf46 (talk) 00:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I am not going to undelete it, and here's why. Works of the United States Federal Government are automatically placed in the public domain. This does not extend to works of state governments. Your work, a photo of a copyrighted license plate, is considered a derivative work of the copyrighted work. Thus while you might be able to get away with using the image under a fair use rationale, listing it as public domain is blatant copyright infringement, speedy deletion criterion I9. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

My view in the ongoing debate: I think you guys are wrong. The license plates themselves are not copyrighted in that they are not considered to be an artistic work. The only laws governing them are that no one may make a duplicate plate and try to pass it off as real for use on a vehicle. Also if a state government takes a photo of a plate then they may own a copyright on the photo of the plate. Theoretically, yes the state does own the license plate on your car, but not the rights to prohibit one from taking a photo of that plate, assuming that the person taking the photo is not violating any law by taking it. If one were to use the logic you guys are using, one would assume that a photo of a Remington shotgun taken by an individual who has legally purchased and is the owner of the firearm would be copyrighted, because Remington happens to own the patent to make the gun. I submit that if I am legally standing on a public street and take a photo of a passing vehicle that happens to include a license plate on that vehicle, that I own the copyright to the photo since I took the photo, not Chevy because they made the vehicle, and not the state whose plate happened to be on the vehicle. Sf46 (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of WellPetUSA

Schumin, I was sad to see that you so quickly deleted WellPetUSA, as I had asked or a few more minutes to edit the submission. You had deleted it with 4 minutes so I did not get an opportunity. I shortened the organization's "importance" as another quick wiki editor deleted my first submission for "blatant advertizing" when I has listed Wellpet's mission and other relevent organizational information. The entry you deleted was a pared down version but I guess too skinny for you. Your diligence is admirable, but a bit quick on the draw. 04:08, 26 May 2008 SchuminWeb (Talk | contribs) deleted "Wellpetusa" ‎ (Speedy deleted per (CSD A7), was an article about a company or corporation that didn't assert the importance or significance of its subject. using TW) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordonterrace (talk • contribs)

Well, Wellpetusa (distinct from WellPetUSA) was also nominated for G11, blatant advertising. I, however, gave you the benefit of the doubt on the advertising by deleting it under A7, since the notability is still not asserted. Sorry... SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lymbyc Systym

The Lymbyc Systym wiki page was edited to remove the elements that seemed promotional. It was made more concise, and only includes information that is documented by credible 3rd party music news sources (All Music Guide, Pitchfork, CMJ, etc). Also, a list of sources was added.

I feel at this point, since Lymbyc Systym have just as much credibilty as many bands already listed in the Wiki database, the page deserves recognition as a valid Wikipedia article.

Fost01 (talk) 17:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Language Testing Centre

Hi Schumin, I was wondering why you deleted our article Language Testing Centre. Some contents came from our website, true but not all. "We" are the Language Testing Centre and we can (and we do) post our contents on every media. So there is no copyright infringement. To verify it, you can send an email to Bettina Wohlgemuth. You find her email-address on the LTC-website. So, please undelete our article. THX in advance and for all your troubles.

sfekonja (talk) 20:00, 26 May 2008 (CET)

Language Testing Centre was deleted as blatant copyright infringement, and without any evidence to the contrary on the LTC's Web site indicating that it is available for use either under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) or a similar compatible license, and without attribution, the speedy deletion will stand. However, before you start rewriting, the article as it stood, besides being blatant copyright infringement (CSD G12), it also qualifies as an organization that does not assert notability (CSD A7), and it's also bordering on blatant advertising (CSD G11). And it also fails Wikipedia's notability guideline, meaning it might not survive a deletion discussion unless notability can be established. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I see. We will rewrite the article and we will publish it again. But I don't agree with you about (CSD A7) and (CSD G11). The LTC is a department of the University of Klagenfurt (NPO). E.g. the LTC does great work on E8-tests in Austria and in the EU and the LTC doesn't need any advertising or something else. It's important to show people in other European countries what we do and how we work in Austria. I know the US are far far away from Europe and I'm sure you don't care about the things we do in good old Europe, but it's not you decision what's important for us or not. Maybe you could tell us in which language should we publish the contents? Should we publish the English version on de.wikipedia.org? Do you really think an article about Paris Hilton is important? ;-) Now what? It would be very helpful, if you could answer my questions. Have anice day and thanks for your troubles.

sfekonja (talk) 08:40, 30 May 2008 (CET)

[edit] Senso Ryū Aikijūjutsu

Sorry I did not make the URL clear: http://sensoryuaikibudo.yuku.com/topic/577

Note that there is a slow edit war going on: the material might not be there at the moment. User:Tenteisai and 99.132.177.200 appear to be the same user and they are returning the copyrighted material. Thanks! jmcw (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw, and declined again. From what I can tell based on the date of the posting you provided, the forum post appears to lift content from Wikipedia, and not the other way around. Either way, the article has a long enough history that G12 is not an appropriate remedy, because based on the history, the article started out okay, and thus there is a "good" revision to go back to even if the alleged copyright infringement that I can't find is true. SchuminWeb (Talk) 11:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have a minute, look over the talk page. The martial arts people have been trying to help get this article into better condition. It has not been easy<g>. Last night, I found the bulletin board with the material dated 2007: the wiki article was started in 2008. I made a backup copy of the original web page with the 2007 date: would you be interested if I emailed it to you?jmcw (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks anyway. The user updated the web last night to change the date. Prod and AFD are still available<g>. jmcw (talk) 11:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:MALLS

Is it just me or does WP:MALLS seem kinda inactive? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

*sigh* Agreed. It has been somewhat inactive. Hopefully that can change one day, but I've been so busy, both on and off-wiki as of late... SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Galleries

Thought you would be interested in this edit to Wikipedia:Image use policy, and this discussion. Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional WTO movie

I deleted it since it is not really Wikiworthy and there is no consensus bout it. The article on the attack on Pearl Harbor does not need to have every bad fictional movie about it listed. --8bitJake (talk) 00:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to WTO Ministerial Conference of 1999 protest activity. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. You have no right to delete my tags challenging of the so called facts on that line. --8bitJake (talk) 01:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I have moved beyond assuming good faith in this case, as I'm starting to believe this is disruptive editing, perhaps to make a point, or perhaps just POV-pushing, as evidenced by this diff. We previously attempted to discuss here, and thought we'd come to an understanding that we weren't disputing the factuality of it. However, this diff and this diff and this diff indicate to me that you appear to be intent on disrupting Wikipedia to make a point with this issue. Disrupting Wikipedia to make a point is strongly discouraged. Before going to the formal warning process, I also attempted to discuss your behavior with you on your user talk page as evidenced in this diff. I have dropped subtle hints, I have discussed the topical concerns on the article's talk page, and I have brought WP:POINT and WP:NPOV up to you directly. What else am I supposed to do? SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:19, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The term "dramatic film" in this context is a weasel word because it does not specify that it is a work of fiction. I should know since I was there on November 30th 1999 and I saw that fictional Canadian film at SIFF. --8bitJake (talk) 02:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR warning

It appears you have violated 3RR on WTO Ministerial Conference of 1999 protest activity. I am going to revert to the version prior to the 3RR violation, and I ask that you don't revert (excluding vandalism) on that article for 24 hours. Thanks! Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 01:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Directory Assistance - Free Services

My post on free services is not promotional and certainly should not be categorized as vandalism. I listed the three "free" services that I'm aware of and provided features of each. This is entirely objective. If you'd like to make edits then do so. Eliminating the post altogether on the basis of promotion is unfounded. Glenn Gdawg1970 (talk) 02:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it's advertising, which we do not permit on Wikipedia. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Explain how it is any different than listing the 118 providers in the UK that make up 90% of the market. Gdawg1970 (talk) 02:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

See WP:SPAM. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Listing providers of directory assistance that do not charge for their services is not promotional. There are entries in the article detailing costs. Explain to me, without providing a link, why you think a list of DA services that are available at no charge is considered promotional and not relevant to the article on directory assistance? There are no resources listed substantiating the costs detailed in "U.S. Wireline Telephone Companies Classify DA into 4 rate classes." Gdawg1970 (talk) 02:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

Why was Darkside2000 deleted? He/she was great... :'-(--Editor510 (talk) 15:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Darkside2000 requested deletion of their own userpage. The talk page, now, I have to fix. No biggie. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I thought you'd been like, "YOU SUCK! BLOCKITY BLOCK BLOCK!" K, good luck--Editor510 (talk) 10:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SVMF deleted page

22:20, 24 May 2008 SchuminWeb (Talk | contribs) deleted "Shenandoah Valley Music Festival" ‎ (Speedy deleted per (CSD G12), was a blatant copyright infringement. using TW)

Just wondering what you found as blatant copyright infringement. Just a suggestion, It would be nice for you to highlight the particulars you are using as your basis for deleting so that people aren't scared away from using your website. We are the Shenandoah Valley Music Festival and we have been in business for 46 years. We saw that Bethlehem Musikfest had a page and decided to tell people about our history as well. Just trying to learn. (Svmf (talk) 17:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC))

Shenandoah Valley Music Festival was deleted as a blatant copyright infringement of this site. A G12 deletion does not make any judgements on notability, but rather the source of the sentences. If you wish to write a new article in your own words, you are more than welcome. This is not a guarantee that it will not be deleted for other reasons, but this should help you avoid having the article deleted again as a blatant copyright infringement. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Where is my userpage?

I did not ask for my page to be deleted at all. The person who requested its delete wasn't me. Do you know who requested it's deletion? They have commited vandalism. They may have done the same to other users. P.s Don't worry about it I was going to redesign the page anyway. --Darkside2000 (talk) 19:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

You know what, I looked at it again, and I think I know what happened. I saw the speedy tag on there, and in seeing that all the userpage edits were from you, I went ahead and fired. However, I think that the speedy tag was actually on something you had transcluded, because the tag doesn't show up on the deleted revisions (but a link to a deleted template) does. I'm restoring your user page with my apologies. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry everyone makes mistakes. Thanks for restoring the page.--Darkside2000 (talk) 08:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Unprotect?

Y Done, it is now unprotected, cheers! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 02:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Welcome

Thats very kind of you to extend an offer to me to register an account, but as you can see, I already have. Still, it nice to know that there are still some people on the encyclopedia willing to greet anons as they come here rather than reprimand them for adding comments to what are traditionally registered-user-only areas of contribution.

Since you've shown me some kindness, I will answer the quesion asked at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/March 19, 2008 anti-war protest here. "Bull" in the sense I am using refers to the people, both pro war and pro peace, who rally here in the country as they are free to do to make their voices heard on a matter that concerns them. Those who wish to participate in such events are to be commended, as it take courage to announce ones position on such matters. Unfurtently, though, both camps can only present the same slogans and mottos for so long before each of there campaigns tend to blur togather; in essence, becuase they are drawn to the same events, hold them the same way, and deviate little if any from what many people consider "mainstream" protesting (signs on street corners and such) the cause being championed loses something. I term this, in its broad sense, as "bull"; it is not meant to be derrogatory or insulting, merely to note that its old news. In this case, the protest wasn't large per say (rallies can draw out hundreds of thousands of people, this one didn't) nor did anything new or unique happen (consider for moment how unique events like woodstock and the montgomery bus boycott were by comparison). Granted, a few motorists were distracted and a few people were arrested, but that is fairly normal for a protest of this size. In the context of the article being here, there is no real notability for it to exist independently, and becuase a comparatively small protest has an article I personally feel that it is attempt by the pro-peace people to make a stand. As I noted above, there is nothing wrong with making a stand, but the policies here in this case conspire against it. If it would make both of you feel better, I could meet you half way on the matter and shift from delete to merge, but I do not see any strong policy-based foundation in the article to justify switching from delete/merge to support. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion review for March 19, 2008 anti-war protest

An editor has asked for a deletion review of March 19, 2008 anti-war protest. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Myheartinchile (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

what's the wayback machine?Myheartinchile (talk) 20:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

See archive.org. SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Why, thank you, Sherman. LOL Dlohcierekim 20:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Silver Spring Fountain picture

Why did you delete the picture that I had on the Silver Spring wiki page? Did I not already put on the photo that I released the picture to the public domain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverspring (talk • contribs) 09:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The images were deleted due to potentially infringing copyright. You listed a Web site as the source. That Web site was not listed as having its content in the public domain, therefore bringing your public domain claim into question. The images were deleted through WP:PUI. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The web site is copyrighted. The owner of the web site has released the picture into the public domain. Why would a web site have to be in a public domain to release a picture into public domain. This does not make sense. Please provide the specific section in WP that you are using to make your decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverspring (talk • contribs) 17:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Considering the listed source was the Web site, and the Web site indicated copyright and no evidence to the contrary about any of its contents, we had to go on what we had. SchuminWeb (Talk) 17:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Staunton

Did you remove the part where there was a Chessie System's caboose by the station? That fact is true! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.90.107 (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did. See WP:V. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beach Touch

Ciao! I have just replied on the page that you have link on my discussion page but i don't know if this is the right way... in any case I have a lot of material about beach touch and indoor touch too. It is not only a touch rugby variation, the Indoor Touch, with the same rules is played in a relevant number of school and gym over italian territory and in Australia, NZ and SA too. If it is not relevant for wikipedia is not a problem for me, i just want to diffuse some info about this sport that i have played last summer in an international tournament. Ciao Ciao, Maci MaiDireMeta (talk) 08:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Then by all means, go fix the article. Make it so. SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Albergo

While the content may not be a hoax (Societyfinalclubs et al has posted some true info) it cannot be trusted and the hoaxer has posted virtually all of the content. You give ‘the substantial work by other later editors is too much to disregard’ as a reason not to delete, but the vast majority of the edits are by User Save Venice and the various 65.54.15x.xx IPs, all of which are socks.

For example, here is every non-hoaxer edit prior to my posting the article for speedy deletion.

Alaibot tagged the page as Uncategorized. [1] I removed some for the hoaxer’s claims, added tags, and corrected one spelling error.[2] Smackbot expanded a tag I added. [3] Deor adds a citation tag. [4] Alanmaher corrects two spelling errors. [5] Katteg removes some blank lines. [6] Boris Barowski corrects one link and one heading. [7] Edward321 (talk) 14:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I gave the benefit of the doubt on the speedy, since I'd rather err on the side of caution on a speedy. If it needs to be AFD'd, then by all means, nominate it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)