User talk:Schafesd

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Hello, Schafesd, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] ICR

Just a heads up, but at wikipedia, using reference sources which are self published is problematic, and if the author him or herself is adding their own work as reference to WP, that creates even more of a problem. It's generally a bad idea; it's much better in such cases to bring the self sourced content to talk pages for discussion to see if an exception should be made. In other words, in 99.9% of cases authors should not add their own works as reference sources to the article space in wikipedia. Professor marginalia (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Texas Citizens for Science

This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a web search with the contents of Texas Citizens for Science, and it appears to include a substantial copy of http://www.texscience.org/about.php. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences.

This message was placed automatically, and it is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article and it would be appreciated if you could drop a note on the maintainer's talk page. CorenSearchBot (talk) 06:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

In order for TCS to give permission, the original website needs to be modified to say released under the GFDL or specific permission to that affect needs to be sent to "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org" from an address that is identifiable as being authorized to provide such permission. The statement "text from its website could be used under fair use standards" is not sufficient as fair use standards only allow for minimal quoting; not whole sale copying. While you could have the material formally released, I'd recommend that you simply re-write it. It was not really suitable for a Wikipedia article. I suggest taking some time to become familiar with our policies and guidelines including: WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:CITE, and WP:RS. The article needs to be more than a copy of the organization's website to comply with those. Let me know if you ahve more questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 21:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. I will send the GFDL permission to Wikipedia as described. I wrote a description of TCS that is not copied from anywhere, including the TCS website. Steven (talk) 04:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Texas Citizens for Science

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[edit] Conflict of intererst warning: Texas Citizens for Science

If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Texas Citizens for Science, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

  1. editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
  2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors;
  3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam);
    and you must always:
  4. avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, verifiability, and autobiography.

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[edit] Draft article

I am developing a draft article on the "Citizens for Science" groups here. Your input is welcome. Guettarda (talk) 06:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a draft article, so hopefully it will turn into an article eventually. Right now I am focussing on making it an annotated list, but if the individual entries are substantial enough they can be spun off into their own articles.

One of the problems we have here is that "fails to assert notability" is a criterion for speedy deletion - one that, in my opinion, is often abused (it's the kind of thing that can drive away new contributors even faster than nominating an article for deletion. Working in user space avoids some of these pitfalls. Creating a list is another way to work through the notability issues. As you compile information for a list, it's easy to see what's likely to be judged as "notable" and what isn't.

So yes, please do feel free to turn references into text. Guettarda (talk) 19:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Guettarda. Thanks for the help with Texas Citizens for Science. I have edited some WP articles but never created a new article before, so I didn't know what I was getting in to. I was forced to create the TCS article when no one else did. I didn't think copying from my own site's text would be a copyright violation, but it was. Then, I didn't know that references are essential to satisfy notability; I had the ones there now and more, which I will send you, and could have used them. That AfD discussion was amazing. Prof Marginalia warned about using my own web articles as references, but that seems extremely harsh when those articles contain valuable information that is found nowhere else because the MSM won't publish some things. There is a lot of original research in my web articles, and journalists do use that material. As for writing about my own organization, my excuse is that no one else would or did until I created the page, which I thought was necessary considering the current controversies going on right now. I am happy to leave TCS to others if they do a good job.
Okay, I can help you with your Citizens for Science list. I have a habit of copying news articles from the web because I know that many will be unaccessible later, so I have huge files from several states, specifically Florida (which I already searched), Georgia, Ohio, and Kansas, all of which are extremely active. So is MN, CO, and NM. So I can get more references. Next, I will summarize articles and write text with references, since I can do this for other CfS articles but not my own. Right? This will take some time, however, which I don't have a lot of now. Also, there is a Citizens for Science site at http://citizensforscience.org/ that covers all the orgs that exist now. I see that it is pretty inactive, and so is their private email list which I am on but hasn't had a message in years!
Finally, do I reply to you on this talk page (my own) as I am doing now or on yours. If yours, do I start a new section like you did with this section? If I create a new section in the bottommost section, does the software automatically make it a different section with the edit button? Thanks. Steven (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evolution

Hi there, thanks for your input on Introduction to evolution, if you have time, could you have a look through the main evolution article to see if any parts are inaccurate? This is the more technical of the pair of articles, so your expertise would be particularly welcome. Tim Vickers (talk) 21:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for the extremely rapid response. You must get a notification if someone edits an article or page. Of course I will be happy to look at it and let you know if it needs help or revision. I have a question, though. Do I respond to you here or on your talk page? If the latter, do I start a new section like you did on my talk page? Thanks. Steven (talk) 21:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if you click the tab that says "Watch" at the top of an article it is added to your watchlist, which you access through the "my watchlist" link at the top right of the webpage. If you have any comments, feedback or suggestions it would be bset to make a new section on the article's talk page Talk:Evolution. All the best Tim Vickers (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Tim, I read the entire WP article on Evolution and it is both accurate and excellent. Nothing needs to be revised. Certain topics could be expanded, but that would be in their own articles. Thanks for explaining the watchlist function; I'll begin to use it. I see I am automatically watching my own talk page, which is probably a good idea. Steven (talk) 22:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
That's great! If I can help with anything, just drop me a note on my talk page and I'll see what I can do. Good to have you around. Tim Vickers (talk) 05:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Steven, i liked your suggestions and added some of them into the introduction. I hope you don't mind but I moved your comment down into its own section (Talk:Introduction_to_evolution#HW_equilibrium) since it started off on a line of discussion on whether to keep the HW equilibrium, or not, in this introductory article. As an educator i think you opinion might be interesting here. David D. (Talk) 22:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, David, Thanks for the response. I will check out the new section and post subsequent remarks or suggestions there. Steven (talk) 22:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)