Talk:Schooner
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could someone please add a schooner glass article?
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[edit] The Étoile
Is the Étoile really a schooner ? I am asking this because she has a square sail on top of her foremost mast; does this change anything ? Rama 16:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
A schooner with a square sail on top of her foremost mast is a topsail schooner, most definitly a schooner. (unknown user and date)
Question - what is it called when a ship has 3 masts - first is square rigged, others are not? The Australian "schooner" Svanen has such a rig but I can't find this type listed on wikipedia. Pics here http://www.svanen.com.au/
SpookyMulder 11:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- The definition of "schooner" is clear when talking about a two masted ship--if the foremast is shorter or equal to the main (aft) mast, and it's primarily fore-and-aft rigged, then it's a schooner; if the shorter mast is to the rear, it's either a ketch or yawl depending on the position of the aft mast relative to the rudder--a ketch sets the mast forward of the rudder, a yawl aft. A single square rigged topsail is acceptable on a schooner. Anything that has square sails and fore and aft sails might be considered a hermaphrodite; see for example Hermaphrodite brig. A ship with a gaff rig on the rearmost mast (called a spanker) is still considered square rigged, and wouldn't qualify as a hermaphrodite. The 3 masted ship you are talking about would probably be a barquentine. scot 15:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Famous Schooners
Some of the vessels listed as "famous" schooners don't even appear to be notable, let alone famous. Should we arrive at some sort of criteria for what constitutes a "famous" vessel to avoid this turning into listcruft? For that matter, is there a page elsewhere with such guidelines? Susan Davis 21:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Red Witch
The listing for Red Witch -- and the vessel's own web site -- claims that she's a topsail schooner, but she's not equipped with yards for carrying a square topsail. Is there some fact about her that's not apparent that makes her a topsail schooner? Susan Davis 21:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Advantage of the schooner rig?
How does this rigging compare to the classical "ship" rig? What are its advantages? The article doesn't go much beyond just listing what 'makes' a schooner. It would be much more useful if it would actually address how the schooner rig impacts the perfomance of a ship. MCSmarties 12:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- Part of the definition of a schooner rig is the fore-and-aft aspect, which differentiates it from older two-masted designs which where primarily square rigged. The advantages of a schooner over the equivalent square rigged brig or a hermaphrodite brigantine have to do with the pros and cons of the rig. A square rigged ship offers better downwind performance, and far inferior upwind performance; the large number of small sails on a square rigged vessel don't require the material strength of large fore-and-aft sails, but require more crew to handle. Now, the question is, since the discussion of performance is in no way unique to the schooner, what's the best way to organize the articles? Maybe there should be an article comparing and contrasting the rigs, with a link to that from this and other articles where it would be of use--otherwise the same information would need to be replicated in numerous other places, such as, in this case, brig and brigantine. scot 13:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
