Talk:School of the Americas Watch

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[edit] In Support of Notability of SOAW

From below, "SOAW and Father Roy Bourgeois [1] began a yearly protest that continues to this day." Thousands of people are involved. Many have gone to jail from activities relating to SOAW. In my opinion, __this__ article is as unnotable as the 2006_Oaxaca_protests, despite absence from the NYT, etc... X14n 07:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reasons for tags

I just want to make it clear that I do not dispute the notability of School of the Americas. I'm just worried about the notability of this organisation. Andjam 11:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In Support of Article - Notability

I understand the concern that attributing notability to an activist organization leads to improper (and non-neutral) advertising for said organization. SOAW and Father Roy Bourgeois [2], however, began a yearly protest that continues to this day. SOAW's ongoing civil disobediance in the face of state-sponsored human rights violations at and by graduates of School_of_the_Americas seems to me to be of obvious notability.

I agree that more, and independent, references are needed.

[edit] Merge

I propose that presente litany is merged into this (School of the Americas Watch) article. The litany is only used in SOAW events and it will never grow to more than a stub. Maybe a better idea is to create an article specifically about the protest and vigil that happens each year. Tell me what you think! Eclectek C T 17:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a seperate article for SOAW events is really warranted, nor do I think it'd really be notable enough to stand on its own. I think merging the Presente litany in is a great idea, though. You're absolutely correct that it's unlikely to ever get past a stub, without introducing trivial material. I say go for it. EvilCouch 04:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The largest annual protest in the nation is indeed notable. They've had 20,000 people. That's a similar number of people (if not more) than attend music festivals. Eclectek C T 06:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
But what else would you put into that article that isn't covered in the main article? The SOA Watch is almost exclusively about their annual protests. They're not known for anything else. I see no reason for their protests to have their own article. If there's more information to be had about them, it should go into this article. EvilCouch 10:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

If the following is true: "The tradition of reading names of those killed by politically repressive regimes has a long tradition in Latin America." As the first public acts of protest under repressive regimes. If this is the history and origins then perhaps this should be the main focus of an article related to history in Latin America and/or resistance to repressive regimes. And the use at School of the Americas Watch protests seems to be a side note that might show up in such an article. Then it should not be the lead to such an article. ShazbotzRobo 10:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The merge seems to have taken place, and has now led to problems. There is a German article on the presente litany, which discusses its use in Latin America and has nothing to do with the School of the Americas Watch. The interwiki link for the German article is to this article, and the interwiki link for this article is to an article on the use of the litany in Chile and other countries. This is misleading. ShazbotzRobo's concerns are very legitimate, and do not seem to have been respected by the merging of the articles.--Bhuck (talk) 08:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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