Talk:School Students Against War
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[edit] please delete
this is stupid.
people with problems with ssaw keep changing the page and putting personal details up on there, some quite offensive, among other things. as there's no way around this then please delete the fucking thing and let that be the end of it.
not against people having their say and their opinions but only dickheads would want to do stuff like this.
[edit] I concur
I can't see anything personal or particularly offensive on the page, but the organisation has had no obvious coverage in the mainstream media, not does it appear to be in any way numerically significant. I'd suggest deleting it.
[edit] Weasel words
Please read Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_terms
"S.S.A.W. is criticised for its failure to campaign on issues..." "the group's perceived failure to remain neutral" "the number of active members is disputed." "The former criticism tends to be answered"
[edit] Editted
Text duly editted.
Each believes in what they do. So let us leave this site in peace
[edit] Paragaphs deleted
I have deleted this paragraph:
- "It has called for 3 'school walkouts' since becoming an organisation, two in 2003 (one to oppose the war and one to oppose a state visit to the U.K. by U.S. President George W. Bush) and one in 2005 (in protest to the G8 summit, which was being held in Gleneagles, Scotland at the time). The latter caused several members of the organisation to resign owing to the group's perceived failure to remain neutral in political affairs outside the remit suggested by its name."
Because:
- I think the figure of 3 walkouts is likely to be inaccurate.
- The first sentence is poorly constructed.
- To refer to the 'resignations' in a short article is to give them undue prominence: they received no publicity outside the organisation; people join and leave the organisation all the time; and there is no formal membership.
I have deleted this paragraph:
- "School Students Against War considers itself a national organisation, attempting to set up local groups across the United Kingdom and claiming a membership of over 500."
Because:
- The use of 'considers itself,' 'attempting,' and 'claiming' casts unwarranted doubt on the information given (see Wikipedia:Words to avoid.) The overall effect of the paragraph is to undermine the credibility of the organisation without actually providing any evidence. The size and reach of an organisation is always going to be contentious so I think it would be best to remove this until/unless references can be provided.
Please do not put these paragraphs back in without providing justification and references here first. Thanks. --Thomas Wills 19:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Last Edit
"School Students Against War considers itself a national organisation, attempting to set up local groups across the United Kingdom and claiming a membership of over 500."
I think that the above is fair, especially the latter section, since no-one's disputing it. The local group bit isn't amazingly relevant, it's true but those perusing their website would be forgiven for assuming it was a London-centric, if not wholly London based organisation, so the national bit should stand.
[edit] Removing last paragraph
The sentence quoted above is being disputed, by me, in my last comment. Not because it is or is not relevant but because of the wording. Please see my last comment for a full explanation of why I am removing it again. Thomas Wills 11:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
