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[edit] Merge Request

Wikified Surrey School Board article and cleanup then realized this is a dup article, School district 36, British Columbia is the format used for other districts so this should be merged to that. Wakemp 19:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge away! Usgnus 13:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
According to List of school districts in British Columbia, there are only 4 school districts in that format. Vancouver School Board is another non-conformist. Wouldn't it be possible to include the name as well as the number. Something like British Columbia School District 36, Surrey? I know it's long, but it makes sense to have the name, for clairity, I think. --TheMightyQuill 11:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Let me revise my comment. I think this article should be merged into Surrey School Board instead of the other way around. --Usgnus 16:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

What about BC School District 35 (Surrey)? Just putting school board isn't particularly clear since there are so many surrey's in the world, and it would be nice to have all the BC School Districts in the same format. -- TheMightyQuill 13:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, but how about BC school district 36 Surrey (lower case and without the parentheses)? --15:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

In British Columbia the standard nomenclature for School Districts is School District No. XXX (NAME) so it would be helpful if the entries followed the same pattern. Wakemp 16:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

In WP, we frequently do not use the "official name" as article names. School District No. XXX (NAME) is meaningful in BC, but not outside the province. --Usgnus 16:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

How about School district 36, Surrey and then if we need to disambiguate, we can put School district 36, Surrey (British Columbia)? --Usgnus 17:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's make this easy. How about we just convert Vancouver and Surrey to the existing standard and redirect as necesssary. We'll need to make "district" lowercase on a few, for consistency. --Usgnus 17:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Wait, which existing standard? School District 36, British Columbia? -- TheMightyQuill 10:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. The standard used in List of school districts in British Columbia. --Usgnus 15:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

A Kelowna opinion thrown in for good measure: make the article name reflect what people will most likely look up when they turn to the encyclopedia. Are people likely to search for "school district ###", or are they more likely to search for "<name> school board"? Coming from outside the affected/disputed area, I know my first search criteria would probably be "surrey school board", the same way I'd also search for "vancouver school board". Having said that, this may be my Ontario roots showing since back in Ontario the school boards use names like Durham District School Board, Ottawa-Carleton District School Board, Toronto District School Board, etc... --Stephane Charette 21:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

In the case of this entry the title would be Surrey School District (the common name) or School District #36 Surrey (the legal name). Either would be acceptable but we will run into a problem when we do this for other districts, like Kelowna, where the name is actually School District #23 Central Okanagan. The name Kelowna School District would not have any relation to the name of the district other than talking about the largest populated centre in the district. So this seems to be something to be discussed on a bigger scale such as Talk:List of school districts in British Columbia Wakemp 01:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

Moving this page to School District 36 Surrey and merging the data from the Surrey School Board entry. Wakemp 02:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of schools

The list of schools looks really long. Maybe dividing them into neighbourhoods might be more useful? i.e. into Cloverdale, Whalley, Newton, etc. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 03:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I was planning on putting in an info box similar to Vancouver School Board, if we do that should there still be a list? If the lists are going to continue they should be more useful, I will use School District 5 Southeast Kootenay as an example. Wakemp 15:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Following SD 5's format might work. As for a NavBox, I'm sure leaving the neighbourhoods intact can still work. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 17:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
My preference would be a footer, like the one for Vancouver, versus the infobox in SD 5. The footer can then be re-used for each individual school, while the infobox cannot. If you do go ahead with the footer, then the list can be deleted from the article (no need for a large block of duplicate info within an article). --Stephane Charette 17:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I think Wakemp meant "navbox", what you call a "footer", instead of "infobox" since Vancouver School Board does not have an infobox. -- Usgnus 18:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I was refering to Template:VancouverSchools, Surrey needs one of these. My other question remains whether the list of schools is required for information beyond the name of the school which is what I was trying to show with the table of Schools in School District 5 Southeast Kootenay Wakemp 18:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Come to the think of it, a NavBox won't work with the neighbourhoods intact. Something like Vancouver's would be better. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 18:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Style School list

I've added the footer box (template) for the schools as well as reformatting the main school list. The question remains whether both are required but I think this is a much better presentation than before. Wakemp 01:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. I removed the redundant "Secondary School" and "Elementary School" from the navbox (easy with Emacs) and corrected a few typos. I also removed the two categories (infobox and parserFunctions). We don't need both the navbox and the list. -- Usgnus
Should we title the navboxes with Schools in School District 36 Surrey instead of Schools in Surrey, British Columbia?
I agree it would make more sense to use Schools in School District 36 Surrey Wakemp 02:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
The VancovuerSchools template includes both public and private schools so it is a little different from this one.
Let's move discussion of navboxes to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Education_in_Canada

[edit] Merge from Georges_Vanier_Elementary_School

Please merge any relevant content from Georges_Vanier_Elementary_School per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/General Vanier Elementary School. Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-29 14:59Z

[edit] List of Schools - Private Schools

Private schools (aka independent schools) are technically not part of the public school districts. 216.232.127.117 19:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from A H P Matthew Elementary School

Please merge any relevant content from A H P Matthew Elementary School per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A S Matheson Elementary School. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-01 08:30Z

[edit] Schools with own articles

Hey folks, Schools do NOT deserve their own WP article simply by virtue of existing. This clearly fails the notability test. If you are going to create an article about a school, it needs to have some substance in it of note. There has to be something special about it, and a good way to test this is to see if it is mentioned in a major news source. If not, it doesn't need to have its own page on wikipedia- instead, it can just be listed in the district page. Epthorn 07:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC

I agree, and I think we should start deleting the secondary schools' individual pages. Most of them have little to no content or are just listing out students that won awards while there. Schmloof (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
You will get little support for this approach. Numerous AfDs have shown that secondary schools can be sourced to meet WP:N. Elementary/middle schools are the opposite; in their case few meet the standard. The way forward is to source and expand the secondary school pages not delete them. TerriersFan (talk) 02:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)