Talk:Schandmantel

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Poorly written, uncited, etc. information which directly contradicts information on this topic found in the Iron maiden (torture device) article:

"The iron maiden was actually built in the 19th century as a misinterpretation of a medieval "Schandmantel" (infamy cloak), which was made of wood and tin but without spikes. The infamy cloak did not harm the body, and it was used as a chastisement for poachers and prostitutes, who were made to wear it in public for a certain time."

I assume that the better-structured and cited Iron maiden (torture device) article has the correct information, in which case this needs a complete do-over.

I'm not sure (because I have not researched it), but I believe I know where the word comes from. It seems to me it is derived from Dutch. 'Schand' namely means 'shame' and 'mantel' means 'cloak'. I don't know the word 'schandmantel' in Dutch, but we do have the word 'schandpaal' which litterly means 'shame pole'. It is what in English is called a Pillory. Also 'Schandtonne' could be derived from Dutch. A 'ton' is a 'barrel' and in older Dutch it probably was 'tonne' or this might be derived from German where 'tonne' still means barrel.

Schnadtonne means barrel of shame in german. as german and dutch are closely related its now wonder the words are similar. it is not there for torture but more for punishment by humiliation.--Tresckow 14:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)