Talk:Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel
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As I have learned it, there is more to wearing the Brown Scapular and meriting from it than simply wearing it. There are certain stipulations. For example, in order for the Promise to be fulfilled, the wearer must also (according to what I have learned) say the Little Office of the Blessed Mother every day of the wearer's life. [1]
No, that's not true. According to the Carmelite Order, you must wear the scapular (although you can put it aside for a short time, as for bathing) and pray the prayer named when you received the scapular. Today, most priests advise you to pray 3 Hail Marys every day, a decade of the rosary or if you can, a 5-decade rosary. It is pretty much the same as with penances given after confession, to a high degree it depends on local traditions and the priest himself. If your priest didn't ask you to say a special prayer, then you may choose your own.
However, it was once the custom, that you had to recite the Little Office in order to "get" the Sabbatine Privilege. Those who were illiterate (there shouldn't be so many today anymore) had to abstain from flesh meat on Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays. The Sabbatine privilege is debated today, but still taught by the Carmelite Order. According to them, you must wear the scapular, pray you scapular prayer daily, observe the fasts of the church (Good Friday, Ash Wednesday and all the other days according to you local diocese) and chastity according to your state and nothing more. http://www.ocarm.org/eng/articles/signeng.htm http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/brown_scapular.htm -- Prorokini 14:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
The NPOV of the sections "Privileges Obtained by Wearing the Scapular" and "Appearance" is really not neutral at all. In particular, the former seems more like a rebuttal to an argument rather than an encyclopedia article. This passage in particular--"It cannot be presumed that every horrible deed can be committed and the culprit will be saved without being repentant of such crimes. Such blatant malice against Our Lady's promise will force God to defend His Mother's honor. Unless such persons change their ways, they will NOT die wearing the Brown Scapular, which is argued by Blessed Claude, further proved by a recent well known true story."--presumes too much and cites too little. A statement like this might be appropriate on the Talk page, but not the article itself. 68.155.19.168 14:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I think I fixed that. The information concerning the Sabbatine Privilege is from: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13289b.htm I don't know any source to confirm the statement made by Blessed Claude de la Colombière. but it sounds like him. -- Prorokini 14:11, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV in the "Origins" section
I flagged the Origins section as Not Verified. It begins by asserting that "The Blessed Virgin appeared to St. Simon Stock", but did not cite the verifiable evidence for this claim. Ubarfay 06:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] More NPOV
On re-reading the summary of this article, no evidence is cited for the assertion that this particular artifact is "by far the best known, most celebrated, and most widespread of the small scapulars". Ubarfay 06:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
