Talk:Saxe-Altenburg

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[edit] Heritage

The last Dukes of Saxe-Altenburg were heads of the branch which descended from Duke Ernest the Pious. Since 1991, that headship, became inherited by next-senior branch. Henq (talk) 16:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, remember the territorial swaps? When a branch stopped existing, it stopped existing. A territorial name might or might not show up in another branch, maybe not the next senior one. There was no strict primogeniture to deal with extinct lines, it was all on the basis of shuffling territories around. Charles 17:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Certainly you have understood incorrectly the (possibly very difficult) concept of being the head of the branch of Ernest the Pious. It is not tied to a territory. And it is succeeded by the genealogically senior in the next branch, if the earlier senior branch goes extinct. Territorial swaps do not belong to this question. Henq (talk) 17:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Reshuffles became practically outdated when all these duchies had moved to primogeniture succession. Henq (talk) 18:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The only reason branches in this house exist is because there are titles. The only reason there are titles is because territories are ruled. If the territories don't exist anymore, all is fine until that line goes extinct. When it does go extinct, that title is gone. It is not inherited by anyone because territorial swaps DO matter in the question of the Saxon lands. For instance, when Gotha and Altenburg went seperate ways. Obviously not a simple question of one heir, is it? If this is a possibly difficult question as you say (believe me, I know), let's leave it to reputable sources to discuss and dissect and then it can possibly be included here. Until then, it doesn't belong. It's original research. Charles 17:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry for your sake if you do not know what is genealogical seniority and headship. Seeing there are huge gaps, I think I would waste my time if I try to explain those concepts. Instead, I refer to pertinent Wikipedia articles. Henq (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems not to pay very well to be sarcastic, like I was in "possibly very difficult concept". Henq (talk) 18:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Debate material available

Some scholars, such as Sainty, Sjostrom, Eilers and McFerran, have expressed their information and opinions about these questions: European Royals debate. Suedois (talk) 17:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Is M. Sjöström the Wikipedia user Henq? I don't think he's a scholar on the matter. The incorrect terminology used in the linked post is identical to posts made here. Charles 17:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

If we're going to admit message boards, which I don't think we should, we should note Guy Stair Sainty, a prominent and noted royal historian[1]. Charles 17:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Primogeniture

Primogeniture seems to have been in use already in the House of Saxe-Hildburghausen. The 1831 constitution of the Duchy of Saxe-Altenburg merely repeats primogeniture succession, and for the case of extinction of the reigning line, provided: "beim Erlöschen der regierenden Linie jederzeit der nächsten Linie und in derselben dem Erstgeborenen und dessen männlicher Nachkommenschaft der Vorzug gebührt." Henq (talk) 21:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)