Talk:Savage Innovations, Inc. (company)

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In response to the speedy delete tag:

I am disputing a speedy delete because this page is identical (in content) to other company pages on Wikipedia. I used other already existing company pages as templates so that I would be within the requirements of Wikipedia.

For instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax%2C_Inc._%28company%29

In addition, the product that is shown on this page, oopic, has had a Wikipedia page since 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oopic

In addition: the rules regarding the reason given for speedy delete was Blatant advertising.

This is the Wikipedia rule regarding such:

"Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group, service or person and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company, product, group, service or person as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion."

The page in question has the company as the subject. It lists history, locations, interaction with other companies, etc. According to the rule listed above it should be fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottMSavage (talk • contribs)

  1. The existence of other pages that fail the guidelines of wikipedia does not exonerate other pages.
  2. Please read the conflict of interest policy.
ju66l3r 23:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Point made. However there are lots of companies listed on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irobot

All of these companies tell about their products. Am I to understand that all of these companies are failing the guidelines? If they are not, then could you point me to instructions indicating how to list a company and be within compliance.

I thought, based on the rule "Note that simply having a company, product, group, service or person as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion." that the correct way was to inform the reader about the company itself. Have I not done that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottMSavage (talk • contribs)

Those other companies are notable as companies per WP:CORP. Does this company have multiple independent articles written about it, for example? ju66l3r 00:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Why yes. It does. Lots of them in fact. Mostly magazine articles, but even some academic articles written by college professors. The products even have collage classes based around them. ScottMSavage 00:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Can you give links here on the talk page or add them to the article? ju66l3r 04:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
On-Line history of Savage Innovations...
http://oopic.com/savage/ (hit the about button)
A small selection of Books, courses and articles about oopic...
Manhattan College http://www.ni.com/pdf/academic/us/journals/lv02_07.pdf
Book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071420843/n=507846/103-0128324-9259068
magazine http://www.oopic.com/pop0200.htm
On-Line http://www.gorobotics.net/Articles/Reviews/A-Review-of-the-OOPic-2/
The first article about the newly released SoundGin
magazine http://www.servomagazine.com/cart.php?add=issue,44
A small selection of retail outlets selling products...
On-Line (America) http://www.thebotshop.com/
On-Line (China) http://www.robotstorehk.com/oopic/oopic.html
On-Line (Italy) http://www.robot-italy.com/index.php/cPath/1_25
perhaps a random wikipedia editor can add these to the article so that I don't contribute to the conflict of interest of the page.
ScottMSavage 14:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I have read the conflict of interest page and understand what it is saying. Basically, I as the main guy of the company am too close to write the article with an unbiased opinion. The page itself was in response to the oopic article which was written by other users. I thought that a history of the company would be of interest to the readers of that oopic article. There is no one but myself that can fill in this information. As for being unbiased, I could always add in links to my major competitors and their products. Any other suggestions would be appreciated as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottMSavage (talk • contribs)

If nobody but yourself, as head of the subject of the article, can contribute that content, then it fails the Original Research policy which is one of the reasons that WP:COI exists. It's not that you need to reference your competitors; it's that it makes validation of what you write extremely difficult for the rest of us. Finally, please sign your posts with four tildes when writing on talk pages (~~~~). The website will substitute your username and timestamp for those characters. I only used the "unsigned" template on your first comment because you hadn't used the signature macro. It'd also be good if you could use a fuller edit summary rather than just an "m" (which indicates a minor revision, like fixing a typo). Thanks. ju66l3r 00:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
That is interesting that the history of the company fails the Original Research policy. Hmmm. ScottMSavage 00:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
No. Anything that can "only be given by you" is OR. If the history of the company is available (even from the company's website, but preferably reported by someone else), then it's not OR. Wikipedia is not a place for compilation of what you know. It's for compilation of what others have reported. ju66l3r 04:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I see. OK, I got that covered. There is an article about the company itself published in an academic magazine. I will have to dig up the information on that. As for my own website: http://oopic.com/savage/ (hit the about button) ScottMSavage 14:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I am also open for "Requests for comment". Given that I have provided a company history, the rest of the page can be contributed by others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottMSavage (talk • contribs)

[edit] Update & request

Still needs some more work. Some items that should be done:

  • Origins needs to be fleshed out a bit more
  • Additional detail between origins and recent business needs to be added. e.g., when did the company move to Huntsville?
  • Reference to Pentar deal needed
  • ooPIC-S not mentioned, nor the educational board
  • More software than just one compiler is available
  • Nearly everyplace where there's an "In 200x, such and such happened...", there should be an external reference.

--Alphaman 15:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Can we remove the "This article does not cite any references or sources." flag? The term "any" is obviously no longer correct. While additional work is obviously needed, I think the page is heading in the right direction, albeit slowly...

Alphaman 15:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)