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Re: Elvaston Castle

I have replied to your message on my talk page. It makes sense to keep all dialogue together in one place. --Daniel Lawrence 14:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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BADSITES

Cool by me, SqueakBox 20:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ColScott

Sorry, I'm not going to protect the talk page right now. I am, however, going to remove that thread, and send him a note. And I am going to advise you in the strongest possible terms to leave his Talk page alone. It is proving difficult to de-escalate this conflict. Guy (Help!) 19:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Saturday Contribs 19:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
As an added on though, I would like you to tell him to stop calling me a stalker, I've written enough explaining my actions, which in no way are stalkerish. Saturday Contribs 19:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Air Jordan copyvio

Hello – thanks for the message, and you made a good catch with that article. It had been a copyvio for over a month, and an ugly copyvio at that.

When you find a copyright violation, the first thing you should do is look in the article's history to see if there's a version that is _not_ a copyright violation. In this case, that version was found sometime in May 2007, so I reverted it back to that version. It isn't necessary to delete the article and rebuild it - we just need to remove the copyright violation from the posted article, not from the history. Most casual readers of Wikipedia don't realize they can look at every version. Take a look at the diff between the version I reposted (which should be the current version) and the version right before mine, and you'll see the plagiarized content is gone.

In many cases, plagiarism from an online source is indeed a copyright violation – but we have to be careful that we don't accidentally find identical content on a site like Answers.com that takes part of its content from us. Then we'd be deleting content that we provided to them, and we'd be chasing our tails and looking really silly. Not that we don't look silly several times a week, but you get the idea.

The Wikimedia Foundation occasionally gets legal threats about copyright problems in articles and they may take action themselves. In those cases, called office actions, you may see variations on usual practice and they have to stand. Copyright problems are one of the biggest headaches and can be very confusing, which is why I take tranquilizers every time I even see the Wiki-word 'copyvio'. You should read and try to comprehend the copyright policies as due diligence for editing. It goes in circles in a couple of places but there are lots of cheerful happy admins ready to promptly wash our hands of all blame and volley it right back to you help. Maybe. ;-) Thanks again for the good catch! - KrakatoaKatie 04:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Aye, in my young days of Wikipedia editing I was often annoyed with searching sloppy writing that looked like a copyvio and finding a website that contained the exact same material... only for the website to be a Wikipedia mirror. I absolutely loathe reading about copyright rules on Wikipedia because, as you said, it just goes in circles and is incredibly dry. I'll try re-reading them now that I am on vacation, though my reading will probably be broken apart due to frequent inspection of the inside of of my eyelids.
And the catch was almost completely random; thank the Penny Arcade forums for somehow sparking in me an interest in Michael Jordan! G'night (or day), Saturday Contribs 04:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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Barnstar

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Your user page made me laugh. ha-ha. RuneWiki777 15:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'll move this award to the page as well, just to make it even more funny.... Saturday Contribs 18:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting my userpage. RuneWiki777 12:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Zeitgeist The Movie

Regarding Zeitgeist The Movie Could you kindly explain exactly what kind of 3rd party source is required for something that clearly exists? A movie that is watchable clearly exists. The sun clearly exists. the earth clearly exists. Logic tells me that someing that clearly exists sources itself. Thanks Vexorg 02:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Well I wouldn't have used the existence of the movie as a thing that needs to be exactly verified (but we do have incident of hoax article being published), but things like a newspaper article or something talking about the movie would be helpful. The claim that movie was released in 2007 on Google video and is free for distribution needs to be cited. Anything regarding its contents needs to be verified. Anything that isn't incredibly obvious (i.e it is a movie) should be cited. Hope that helps, Saturday Contribs 02:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
And BigDT said it much better than I did on his talk page. Saturday Contribs 02:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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Vandalism of entry DON MURPHY

Son, I went to the Official Site and saw a discussion of the gentleman's films. Why would you vandalize the entry and call it an attack site? If you cannot explain calmly and wisely I will re add the page. GraciasMuckrakerius 17:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure. The official site and forum has been used in the past as an attack site against Wikipedia and Wikipedia editors. It exposed Wikipedia editors and called on people to continue vandalising pages. Some of these attacks still remain on the website, particularly the ones that out editors, so the website should not be linked to. Please do not call people's edits that don't suit your ideas vandalism. Saturday Contribs 18:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
You have expressed words. Please provide evidence that the site attacks anyone as I cannot find it. Indeed, all I can see is several warnings to you from User :Guy warning you about an obsession with Murphy Muckrakerius 18:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
This thread shows is one that demonstrates why the site cannot be added. I'm not gonna take any bait to start a flame war. Saturday Contribs 18:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. Off how you have no contributions for a month and a half but return for this Murphy character. Ah well. Thanks again Muckrakerius 18:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Well it concerns me personally (My address and phone number were published there...) so I prefer to see the information removed. Saturday Contribs 18:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes

I do, thank you.--Isotope23 talk 18:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Blocked... sorry, had I known you were targeted there I would have acted sooner.--Isotope23 talk 18:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I just figured out who you are...--Isotope23 talk 18:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Alls well that ends well. I was stupid to have edited under my full name, and stupider for trying to argue rationally with Mr. Murphy. Oh well, whatever he says, I know the truth. Saturday Contribs 18:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

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