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This article is mostly copied from http://www.gurudeva.org/resources/books/lws/lws_about_the_author.html possibly by members of the organisation. Sfacets 06:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

That is correct. I am a representative of said organization. We authorized and posted the original text, and with our approval another member of our organization (Subramaniam) made many refinements. Forgive our unfamiliarity with issues of posting our own copyrighted material on Wikipedia. I am told we should post an appropriate copyright notice here on the talk page. Is that correct? Japendranatha 22:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyright permission allowing the text from www.himalayanacademy.com (an alias of which is www.gurudeva.org) to be reproduced here on Wikipedia can be found at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/info/copyright.html. Japendranatha 04:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

  • This copyright notice now allows content to be used under GFDL. Conscious 19:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Sfacets, you mentioned in an edit summary, "this whole article is PR... needs a cleanup." What exactly do you mean by that? Japendranatha 04:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurudeva redirects to this page and I think that should be it's on page and include information on Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami as well as a link to this page. Gurudeva is an affectionate name for ones Guru

"The shining spiritual being who is the destroyer of darkness of ignorance." Part of the name of His Holiness Gurudeva Sivaya Subramuniyaswami. An affectionate, yet respectful term used to address the guru or spiritual master. www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/virtue/SVGlossary.html

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Syama 05:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Since i did not receive a reply to my la~st post i have updated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurudeva Syama 19:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] conversion

People keep on deleting that the satguru is a Western convert to Saivism. It is a fact and should be reported. Even if you want to adopt a Saivite or Vaishnavite tradition, oftentimes, there may be within some sub-traditions as a conversion process. Ramanuja, for example, converted the Jain Hoyasala king to Vaishnavism.

It must be reported that he is a Western convert because some of satguru's views do not fall in line with many Hindu followers. In his conversion section on his book to become a Hindu, he states: "If he was confirmed or otherwise initiated in another religion or ideology, he must effect formal severance from his previous religion or faith before formally entering the Hindu religion through the the name-giving sacrament." from, How to become a Better Hindu, located at

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/hbh/

Who made him an authority on what Hinduism is?

I have never heard of such a drastic procedure.

Also, a scholar of religion commentated about this group's phenemon in the New York Times: "Some critics question the temple's religious significance, saying Hinduism is a matter of birth and inheritance, not of spirituality. Saiva Siddhanta's founding guru and most of the monastery's monks are Westerners who adopted Hinduism. "It's sort of white people's Hinduism," said Lee Siegel, a professor of Indian religions at the University of Hawaii. "It doesn't say much about India or India and the Diaspora. It says something about people of my generation, George Harrison Hindus. Most Indians that I ask about the Hindu temple on Kauai say it's very nice. But in a real Brahminical sense, I don't think it can be taken seriously."

from a quote from the New York Times, at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ssc/hawaii/iraivan/iraivan_in_the_news/

I respect Satguru but we have to accept who he is; this is after all an encylopedia.

Thanks,aa

Raj2004 01:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

This article should be renamed to 'Sivaya Subramuniyaswami', taking away the unecessary 'Satguru' honourific - please discuss. Sfacets 05:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] conversion

One can access the on-line version of How to Become a Hindu at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/hbh/. I would direct your attention to the list of endorsements by prominent Hindu leaders given at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/hbh/hbh_reviews_comments.html.

As to the Iraivan temple, one can find a list of endorsements by prominent Hindu leaders at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ssc/hawaii/iraivan/island_temple_magazine/isleTemple-04_35.pdf.

I would think their opinion of the temple would carry more weight than that of Prof. Siegel, who is not a Hindu and, though he lives just 120 miles from the Irivan temple, has never to our knowledge visited it. The temple receives thousands of Indian Hindu visitors every year, all of whom appear to regard it "seriously." Arumugaswami 22:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


"Who made him an authority on what Hinduism is?

I have never heard of such a drastic procedure."

You might wish to take a look at the conversions page of the Hindu Temple Society site, the organization that operates the Ganesha Devasthanam in Queens; it also mandates formal severance from all past teachers prior to conversion by namakarana. Kamandi

[edit] title

This is a good point. How does one get the entry name changed? Arumugaswami 22:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The Popes have the honorific in the Article Title. 67.52.81.242
Yes, because he is the head of the Cartholic Church. Is Sivayab Subramuniyaswami the head of Hinduism? There is already the honourific "smami" incorporated in his name. What's the concensus? Should this articles' title be shortened/renamed? Sfacets 04:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
He is the head of Saiva Siddhanta Church. 67.52.81.242 00:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Popes have their honorifics in the titles of their articles for the simple practical reason that most of them had names that are common to many people (John, Gregory, etc.) There is no need for this sort of disambiguation in the case of Sivaya Subramuniyaswami.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 07:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)