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There seems to be some vandalism on this page including at the top, which refers to the US as a "gay county". Also, there is some profanity in the caption under the map. Just thought I'd let someone know!
Would be great to expand the tourist information. Discuss lodging, activities perhaps.
- Wikipedia is not meant to be a travel guide. Such information would be more suitable for Wikitravel. See Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information, number 3. SCHZMO ✍ 23:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
What are these recent theories about a different location for the pillars of Hercules and what relevance does it have??
About the relevance, the UNESCO and world scientists are studying it. That means it is true, or there are many evidences.
[edit] How did Sardinia get its' name?
I would like to know how Sardinia got its' name
I think it may came from the ancient name "Shardana". Unfortunately not much is known today about the Shardana people. We knows that a group of Shardana warriors were even the personal bodyguards of the egyptian pharaon. In fact they were supposed to be great warriors, skilled in metallurgy and navigation. They are linked to the famous Sea People which attacked Egypt around 1200 BC. There are some theory that see them connected to the myth of Atlantis (research for Sergio Frau "Pillar of Hercules" if interested)
[edit] Origin of the name Caprarese Cove
In the Madalina attols is a cove named Caprarese Cove. I am courious of the origin of the name for obvious reasons. Mike Caprarese (mcaprarese @ aol.com )
[edit] Link spam
I removed 2 items. The first is Sardegna.Com, which may have some information on Sardinia but presents itself very clearly as a property rental and hotel reservation site.
ItalianVisits.com, is just link spam, a single unfinished page with 3 small uncaptioned photos and 1 link, the purpose of which is to draw people to "I.V. Tours".
The person who added ItalianVisits has systematically gone thru the 20 regions on Wikipedia to add that site to each, without any regard for improving Wikipedia, no attempt even at adding the official site for the various regions. This is therefore a link spam campaign, and should probably be considered vandalism. I've warned that user, and if need be (there have already been some reverts for other regional pages) will put them on the Vandalism in Progress page. If you have this page on your watchlist, please help in maintaining the quality of the links!
If someone wants to do some footwork, there are probably several good Sardinian sites out there to add. Bill 13:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Rebuttal to Bill Thayer
Bill, I am the "someone" who added links to ItalianVisits.com on the various Italian Regional sites - and I don't think I was commiting "link spam" or engaged in vandalism when I did so. ItalianVisits.com is a serious endeavour being undertaken by my daughter, Jesse Andrews, who for the past 2 years has been living in Praia A Mare, in the northwest region of Calabria. My other daughter, Arianna, is attending university at the University for Foreigners in Perugia, and also contributes to the ItalianVisits website when she can.
If you look at the section on Calabria, you will see how much work and effort has been put into cataloguing towns and villages that are virtually unknown to English-speaking people, whether they are travelers or tourists, or people who have a curiousity about the area. You will note, I hope, the abundance of wonderful photographs that compliment the text, and present our viewers with images that otherwise would not be available. Incidentally, you should also note the link to Wikipedia resources whereever and whenever there is material on Wikidpedia about a region, town or other locale. We are as committed to Wikipedia as you are.
Jesse has created a vessel into which more information is being added every day. I just spent 15 days in Umbria, for instance, and added pages for Perugia, Assisi, Spello, Bevagna, Gubbio and the Regional Park at Colfiorito. Other contributors, like Katherine Lavallee, have added information about other towns in Tuscany. Such contributions are solicited eagerly so that we can fatten the content on the site.
ItalianVisits.com is hardly a come-on for selling tour packages, although we are trying to attract people to "unknown" parts of Italy, and in so doing, get some business to those out of the way places for local restauranteurs, hoteliers, and others in the travel business. If you are aware of what is going on in Italy now, you will understand that the economy is depressed, owing largely to various difficulties it has and is facing as it tries to integrate with the EU, and as it attempts to compete in a global economy. So, having information for travelers can not be the sine qua non of "link spam". If you look at all the external links listed in the Umbria section of Wikipedia, a number of them are active promoters of travel to the Region. Even here in the Sardegna section there is a link to a site called ActivSardegna which promotes travel. Should all of these be removed? And if so, by whom and under what (hopefully) reasonably well-defined policy?
You can coin or use phrases like "link spam", and "cyber vandalism", or other terms of denigration, but I think you, and others who "worry" about Wikipedia, should be careful not to sit on Wikipedia with a holier than thou attitude, deleting other people's contributions, unless a more thorough investigation is done into the content, and sometimes into the motives and objectives of their creators. Many people spend a lot of time, money and energy trying to do good without much reward beyond the satisfactions it provides. This effort to "do good" is manifest on your site Bill, at least, so far as I can see, and I commend you for it.
I'm a bit more than a little chagrined about what you have done Bill, and about how you have characterized ItalianVisits, but I hope we can discuss this if you think I am making an untenable argument in favour of allowing us to post links to the IV website, without fear of having them removed by the over-zealous.
Regards Vian Andrews Vancouver, BC July 28, 2005
[edit] "unu francu" and spending a penny....
Language is tricky! "To spend a penny", in British English, means to urinate . . . not quite what the writer had in mind. More technically to the point, the penny still exists in most English-speaking countries: I replaced it by farthing, which is as dead as the franc in Sardinia. Bill 13:36, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The popolo reference is wrong?
The Veneto entry says:
Veneto is one of the two Italian Regions whose inhabitants are granted the status of «popolo» (i.e. people) with Constitutional Law by the Italian Parliament, the other Region being Sardinia. However only Sardinia has been added the status of "autonomous".
This Sardinia entry says:
Sardinia is one of two Italian regions whose inhabitants have been recognised as a "popolo" (i.e. a distinct people) by the Italian Parliament. The other region is Friuli-Venezia Giulia.
I know nothing of Italian Constitutional law, but these seem to contradict each other. Maybe the Sardinia reference should be to the other autonomous region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and to the popolo region of Venezia?
80.105.81.230 21:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)Q
== Costituzione Italiana == According to the Italian Constitutional law - Titolo V, Regioni Province e Comuni, art.#116, the following regions are autonomous: Sardegna, Sicilia, Trentino-Alto Adige, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Valle d'Aosta. Yes, the island of Sardinia is one of the regions whose inhabitants have been recognised as a "popolo", geographically, ehnically, politically e historically speaking. This fact is above all due to their isolation. It is also genetically proved, the Sards do not belong to the Italian race. About the Friulan folks is the same. Unfortunately Veneto is still waiting by the Italian Parliament the privileges of its status. So we cannot call them a "popolo".
[edit] Some answers
The Francu is the ancient coin of Sardinia. This isn't the sardinian translation of Euro.
The definition of "autonomous region" in italian constitution referres to some special powers of those regions in making laws and in making new taxes. The definition of "popolo" referes to the cultural differences between italy and sardinia and veneto. Bobbore.
[edit] Two different concepts
Dear Bobbore the Francu is never existed as a coin. It was the "Franco" or "Franchi e centesimi". Also, we must not make confusion between "popolo" given by regionalists (i.e. Sardists and Venetian Leghisti) and "popolo" given by the fathers of the Italian Costituzione. They are two different concepts. In addition Autonomous Region means that some Regions have administrative autonomy, financial autonomy, statutory autonomy, organizational autonomy, normative autonomy. See the Art. #118 Costituzione, replaced from the constitutional law #3 of the year 2001, and the art. #138 of the Costituzione Italiana, please.
[edit] External links
To kirk11, thanks for the message on my talk page. It is true that I have been on something of a mission to rid Wikipedia of those links which are clearly spam/commercial, but also of those which are broken, which are out of date, which add little or nothing, or which are otherwise not suitable for inclusion given Wikipedia's policies. Like all aspects of life, there are people who simply want to take advantage. I am not for a moment saying that is what you are doing, but I think you will agree that in many cases that is what is happening.
With regards to the two specific links that you mention, in my opinion the www.sarnow.com one is borderline and, for me at least, falling the wrong side of that border. I do not believe that it is a definitive site, even if it does have some useful pieces of information in a tourism context (but not an encyclopedia context). That said, I do not feel particularly strongly about it. However the Going to Sardinia site is clearly commercial with extensive advertising and links for online booking. For me, this site is not remotely close to being appropriate for inclusion.
What are your thoughts? Anyone else?
--Bcnviajero 11:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I agree, and removed both. The poster should make a compelling argrument for their reinsertion before doing reverting. Wikipedia is not a collection of Links Seaphoto 19:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Answer to the unknown
Dear unknown (if you want to criticize someone, it's better to say who you are), i know italian costituzione very well, and the definition of popolo is not in the costituzione, but in the costitutinal law called Statuto Sardo, approved by italian parlament in 26 february 1948. I have to teach you that leghisti are only the people who votes for Lega Nord, a partito of north italy. In Sardinia are present some indipendentist partiti, which are very different to regionalist partiti: probably you are talking about indipendentist, not regionalists.
About Francu, there is a misunderstanding: the francu is the name of an ancient coin now called Lira: 1000 lire=1000 francoso (plural of francu). Lira is not euro, and no one in sardinia calls euro "francu" Francu is not euro, but lira.
I said that autonomistic regions have the power of creating laws and new taxes, but the problem is that every single automistic region has different powers. What you say, that autonomistic regions have "administrative autonomy, financial autonomy, statutory autonomy, organizational autonomy, normative autonomy" is a complicate way to say the same things i said.
Bobbore
[edit] Disagree...
If we speak about powers, we are obliged to explain. When we write: "the power of creating law and new taxes" we claim that the Region has limited powers. Organisational autonomy, for example, has very few to do with fees and laws. In addition, when we say "a people" we must be clear too. The concept of people, meaning a people "whose rights are juridically recognised" can be found among the constitutional concepts of our fathers, not inside statutes as the one mentioned above. You say "I teach you", but if you had studied jurisprudence or juridical science at the University you would know what I was trying to say. The concept of people given by the Italian Constitution is complete, absolutely different and more important than the concept given by any local statute. And no Sardinian statute speaks about the Sardinians as a people having their own sovereign rights. In conclusion, about the meaning of people, we have two basilar concepts, one given by regionalists (or if you do prefer, by political currents driven by localists, campanilists, nationalists, patriottists etc. I think you know what I mean!) and the other one given by the same Italian Constitution, which is fundamental and prevails. About the "franco", it was the French coin that circulated in some countries of Italy before the period of the Kingdom of Sardinia. The Sards and Piedmontese adopted it ever since the 1800s. Therefore the Sardinian term "francus" comes from "franco", an Italian term utilized to mean 1 French coin; while the Lira came much later. Only the old Sardinians continued mistakenly to identify the Lira as "francu/s/sus" and until January 1th 2002, when the euro officially replaced it. In origin the Franco and the Lira were two different coins. --Jackie 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Non mi trovo d' accordo neanche io
Dear Jackie, I take a degree in jurisprudence last year and I born and live in Alghero in Sardinia. I hear and use the word Francu until I was born, and francu is Lira. The historical origin of this word is not important: here in sardinia, no one use the word francu referring to Euro, as the article say. It's used for Lira. And stop. The word Popolo is used in Statuto Sardo (it's a costitutional law) in art. 15 and art. 28. This word is used also in Veneto statuto, and isn't used in the statuti of the others regions. So the italian parlament reconnise the condition of popolo only at this two regions. And stop.
Bobbore
[edit] IMHO you don't understand my writing
Dear Bobbore, I never wrote that the Sardinians use the term francu to mean the euro. In addition we cannot ignore the political history of Sardinia and you should study the coins of the Italian regions before saying that. In Sardinia we have the "franco", then the "lira." About the second one, as I stated, it was mistakenly called "francu/s/sus" by Sardinians and until four years ago. Again, I do repeat. The Italian Parliament does not consider the Sardinians as a people having sovereign rights. In no statute you will find that. Also, the statute is recognised by the same fathers of the Italian Constitution of 1948 but it is not a constitutional law! Statute and costitutional law are two different things! You are doing confusion here. --Jackie 2006 (UTC)
TRIVIA ADDITION====================================
I'm new to this, so forgive the formatting. But shouldn't the Trivia section (at least) mention Sardinia's reputation for longevity? There have been multiple scientific studies done on the island seeking to understand why the men there frequently live to be so old. It seems to me that this sort of reputation warrants inclusion.
[edit] Heads facing wrong way
Aren't the heads on the flag facing the wrong way? Some on google are in the oposite direction, as well as the one on the badge of Cagliari Calcio. - Soprani 10:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Franco Columbu
Should there be some mention of Franco Columbu? He is a former champion bodybuilder, powerlifter, and amateur boxer from Sardinia, now a long-time resident and probably citizen of the United States. 67.71.141.44 (talk) 16:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
